Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 6 Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
I read a magazine article a while back regarding 207 minute ETOPS. Can anyone provide some insight into this change from 180 minute ETOPS? What aircraft have this certification. Why the 27 minute extension? Thanks for the help.
Buzz From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 697 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
Hi Modesto, Buzz here. The 207 minute ETOPS is a 15% extention that you can apply for..... and the FAA -can- grant if you've proven that you are a good and proper 180 minute ETOPS operator. Of course they don't have to let you do it.
So..... that means if you're flying SFO-HKG in your Boeing Bigfoot (777) you have to plan your flight to be within 180 minutes (or 207 minutes if you've been good) of a suitable alternate in case you need to land. In some parts of the world runways are scarce.
Of course if you have a 3 or 4 engine airplane you don't have to worry about the 180 minute ETOPS stuff. After all ETOPS is supposed to stand for Extended-range Twin-engine OPerationS. At work we also say " Engines Turn Or People Swim".
Would you belive most of the ETOPS diversions to alternate airports are caused by sick passengers?
Buzz Fuselsausage, Line Mechanic by night, DC-3 Crew Chief by choice.
Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1601 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
I believe that the Boeing 777 is the only airplane to achieve the 207 ETOPS Rating and that started March 7 2000. No other aircraft is certified to fly 207 min ETOPS. Boeing and Airline companies faught for the certification, helping sell the 777 for trans-pacific flights, much to Airbus and the A-340's dismay. As far as I know, Airbus has no plans to certify any of their twins for 207 ETOPS based on their fight against this new certification. See their web site http://www.airbus.com Paraphrasing, they say it is unsafe.