N707jt From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 17 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26765 times:
Hey guys,
I am interested in furthering my skills in CATIA and was wondering where can I look for technical drawings for commercial regional aircraft and general aviation?
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26768 times:
This is too cool. I just took a 3 day CATIA class last week here at work. The instructor put a G-650 together for us. He started with the assemblies that were in the system, then started adding them together. The only thing that he didn't have was the landing gear. I would start at the nose and work my way back to the empenage. Hopefully all the fuselage panel assemblies are in the system. Then add the wing assemblies. Check your parts list "BOM" and see what you have. You can also draw it piece by piece, but that will take forever. Let me know how it goes. And most of all, have fun.
These are sample drawings (3rd edition) ZODIAC CH 601 HD, and are for informational and educational purposes only.
THESE DRAWINGS ARE NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION, DUPLICATION, OR DISTRIBUTION.
Ceph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26709 times:
Wow, my polytechnic's course Dip in Aeronautical Engineering, we were made to do a project modelling parts of a plane. One of our lecturers actually wrote a book on catia.
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 26649 times:
You may also be able to get a "student" guide to CATIA from Dassault.
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 26576 times:
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6): Now that's gotta be one expensive piece of software!
We were told in the class that Dassault gave most schools the program for free. Then, when all the students were used to CATIA, and moved into their career's, they told their employers about the program's capabilities........next thing you know........BIG BUCKS for Dassault!
Pianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26538 times:
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6): Now that's gotta be one expensive piece of software!
At Boeing we pay Dassault $1200/month/computer for licenses to run v5 (the CATIA and Enovia)... But what we get in return is a "personalized" copy of Catia and Dassault software engineers working directly with Boeing to create our own features (parts of CWB, etc). Still, big bucks...
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26514 times:
Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 8): At Boeing we pay Dassault $1200/month/computer for licenses to run v5 (the CATIA and Enovia)... But what we get in return is a "personalized" copy of Catia and Dassault software engineers working directly with Boeing to create our own features (parts of CWB, etc). Still, big bucks...
At Gulfstream, we have a couple different types of licenses (if I understood correctly) - 1 license for the people that are able to add info. (revisions to prints, notes, etc.), and one for the people to look up information.
** There was a question about our licenses on the quiz at the end of the course - I got it right, so I hope I'm right now. If not, I'll just blame it on "old age!" LOL **
Wingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 835 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 26465 times:
N707Jt, if you want to further your skills, sit down and design something, use your imagination. Why copy an existing design when you can come up with your own?
I always start by putting something down on paper, pencil-sketch, then think about what different components I might need and how to assemble it.
By the time I'm making solids in CAD, I've already designed it.. I'm just making a visual image from what I've already pictured in my mind.
Having gone through Solidworks, Catia V4 and V5 training (and a little bit of autoCAD), in my limited experience I've found the best way to further your skills is to explore the software simply by messing around with it!
I can't show you anything of my stuff from work, but these are some pictures of my group design project from uni designed with solidworks, but these days I'm a Catia V4 man....
CAD Fuselage structure
CAD Wing structure
CAD Landing gear structure
Partial assembly
Complete assembly
Aileron servo design
Empennage servo design
Assembled fuselage
Assembled wing
Wing & fuselage.
Finished article
Group with aircraft. I'm on the right.
Incidentally, it flew very well on test day, but our pilot landed it too hard and crushed our landing gear. Designing a remote controlled plane is a great place to start though.
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26434 times:
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11): Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month? Why don't they just buy the damn software?
My understanding is that Dassault only licenses the program.
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11): Why don't they just buy the damn software?
They can't. At least, not the way they want it. They don't want to be a software developer of CAD systems (that's what Dassault is already doing, better than Boeing), they want to use the software. By licensing it they get continuous support, customization, etc., etc.
And Dassault would much rather have continuous license income than have a lump sum then have their product walk out the door.
Keep in mind that most software is licensed...you can't buy MS Windows either.
Pianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 26359 times:
Quoting AcNDTTech (Reply 9): At Gulfstream, we have a couple different types of licenses (if I understood correctly) - 1 license for the people that are able to add info. (revisions to prints, notes, etc.), and one for the people to look up information.
Yeah here too. The ME's, for example, use the CATIA DMU viewer, which is not a full version of catia (hence cheaper). And these license prices are also creating some problems at the partners. Vought, for example, has Enovia "lite" (i guess they didn't want to pay for the full version) and it's causing some configuration/effectivity problems in some parts.... Just shows that Boeing should have been more on top of having partners run the same exact systems that we do, even if they cost more...
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11): Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month? Why don't they just buy the damn software?
Yeah, as Tom said all software you buy (office, windows, photoshop, etc) is a license to use the software (plus the cost of the media). You are not purchasing "the sofware," just the rights to use it. By Boeing paying Dassault a "subscription" then we get Dassault people on-site fixing problems that occur (and there are MANY) and we get specialized Boeing tools that they put into catia and enovia for us.
Airbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 26084 times:
You can buy a student version of Catia V5 for around $100. Or you could always use the torrents...
Dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 767 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 25989 times:
Quoting Airbuske (Reply 15): You can buy a student version of Catia V5 for around $100.
I know of a Tier 2 on the 787 which used an academic version of Catia. I don't know why they didn't realise that they'd get caught out when their models went into Enovia.
Pianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25932 times:
Quoting Dynamicsguy (Reply 16): I know of a Tier 2 on the 787 which used an academic version of Catia. I don't know why they didn't realise that they'd get caught out when their models went into Enovia.
I'm not the least bit surprised.... considering the crap that comes out of full-fledged "partners" i wouldn't expect tier 2 suppliers to be up to par...
Boacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 25850 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 17): Not to change the topic, but anybody know of a good Free/Share/low cost cad software application.
Using the shareware X-plane flight simulator software, and creating a new aircraft based upon existing model information (the software has a very good flight dynamics model computation engine) - I think that could be an acceptable alternative to create your own airfoil shapes and see what the result is (dynamically with graphics). I gather you can create any arbitrary shape as an aircraft/spacecraft and ask X-plane to model it for you.
So, CAD -> 3d solid -> simulator could be replaced by Structure-> simulator process. And you get the advantages of multiple camera angles as well.
Sponsor Message: 
From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 17 posts, 
From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, 
From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6193 posts, 
From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 835 posts, 
From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, 
From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 767 posts, 
Sponsor Message: 
Printer friendly format
