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Drawing An Aircraft On Catia  
User currently offlineN707jt From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 17 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 31406 times:

Hey guys,

I am interested in furthering my skills in CATIA and was wondering where can I look for technical drawings for commercial regional aircraft and general aviation?


n707jt
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User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 31410 times:

This is too cool. I just took a 3 day CATIA class last week here at work. The instructor put a G-650 together for us. He started with the assemblies that were in the system, then started adding them together. The only thing that he didn't have was the landing gear. I would start at the nose and work my way back to the empenage. Hopefully all the fuselage panel assemblies are in the system. Then add the wing assemblies. Check your parts list "BOM" and see what you have. You can also draw it piece by piece, but that will take forever. Let me know how it goes. And most of all, have fun.

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6607 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 31382 times:

If you want some EDUCATIONAL dwf drawings, that you should probably be able to import into CATIA, then the Zenith website has quite a few

http://www.zenithair.com/cad/601.html

Note : they are.....

These are sample drawings (3rd edition) ZODIAC CH 601 HD, and are for informational and educational purposes only.
THESE DRAWINGS ARE NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION, DUPLICATION, OR DISTRIBUTION.


Other kit manufacturers my also have CAD files.



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User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 31351 times:

Wow, my polytechnic's course Dip in Aeronautical Engineering, we were made to do a project modelling parts of a plane. One of our lecturers actually wrote a book on catia.

User currently offlineN707jt From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 17 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 31328 times:

Hi Ceph!

Casper here! I didn't realized they have a book on CATIA. I only know of the ProEngineer one. Do you know how can I get it from Sydney?



n707jt
User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 31291 times:

You may also be able to get a "student" guide to CATIA from Dassault.

User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 31253 times:

Now that's gotta be one expensive piece of software!


Blackbird


User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31218 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6):
Now that's gotta be one expensive piece of software!

We were told in the class that Dassault gave most schools the program for free. Then, when all the students were used to CATIA, and moved into their career's, they told their employers about the program's capabilities........next thing you know........BIG BUCKS for Dassault!


User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 31180 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6):
Now that's gotta be one expensive piece of software!

At Boeing we pay Dassault $1200/month/computer for licenses to run v5 (the CATIA and Enovia)... But what we get in return is a "personalized" copy of Catia and Dassault software engineers working directly with Boeing to create our own features (parts of CWB, etc). Still, big bucks...


User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 31156 times:



Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 8):
At Boeing we pay Dassault $1200/month/computer for licenses to run v5 (the CATIA and Enovia)... But what we get in return is a "personalized" copy of Catia and Dassault software engineers working directly with Boeing to create our own features (parts of CWB, etc). Still, big bucks...

At Gulfstream, we have a couple different types of licenses (if I understood correctly) - 1 license for the people that are able to add info. (revisions to prints, notes, etc.), and one for the people to look up information.

** There was a question about our licenses on the quiz at the end of the course - I got it right, so I hope I'm right now. If not, I'll just blame it on "old age!" LOL **


User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 31107 times:

N707Jt, if you want to further your skills, sit down and design something, use your imagination. Why copy an existing design when you can come up with your own?
I always start by putting something down on paper, pencil-sketch, then think about what different components I might need and how to assemble it.
By the time I'm making solids in CAD, I've already designed it.. I'm just making a visual image from what I've already pictured in my mind.
Having gone through Solidworks, Catia V4 and V5 training (and a little bit of autoCAD), in my limited experience I've found the best way to further your skills is to explore the software simply by messing around with it!
I can't show you anything of my stuff from work, but these are some pictures of my group design project from uni designed with solidworks, but these days I'm a Catia V4 man....

CAD Fuselage structure

CAD Wing structure

CAD Landing gear structure

Partial assembly

Complete assembly

Aileron servo design

Empennage servo design

Assembled fuselage

Assembled wing

Wing & fuselage.

Finished article

Group with aircraft. I'm on the right.

Incidentally, it flew very well on test day, but our pilot landed it too hard and crushed our landing gear. Designing a remote controlled plane is a great place to start though.

Edit: 3d CAD forums from design world is a good CAD help forum I know of.
http://www.3dcadforums.com/

[Edited 2008-09-06 14:23:09]


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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 31090 times:

Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month? Why don't they just buy the damn software?

Blackbird


User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 31076 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month? Why don't they just buy the damn software?

My understanding is that Dassault only licenses the program.


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31072 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month?

Because that's the only way to get it.

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
Why don't they just buy the damn software?

They can't. At least, not the way they want it. They don't want to be a software developer of CAD systems (that's what Dassault is already doing, better than Boeing), they want to use the software. By licensing it they get continuous support, customization, etc., etc.

And Dassault would much rather have continuous license income than have a lump sum then have their product walk out the door.

Keep in mind that most software is licensed...you can't buy MS Windows either.

Tom.


User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 31001 times:



Quoting AcNDTTech (Reply 9):
At Gulfstream, we have a couple different types of licenses (if I understood correctly) - 1 license for the people that are able to add info. (revisions to prints, notes, etc.), and one for the people to look up information.

Yeah here too. The ME's, for example, use the CATIA DMU viewer, which is not a full version of catia (hence cheaper). And these license prices are also creating some problems at the partners. Vought, for example, has Enovia "lite" (i guess they didn't want to pay for the full version) and it's causing some configuration/effectivity problems in some parts.... Just shows that Boeing should have been more on top of having partners run the same exact systems that we do, even if they cost more...

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
Why does Boeing pay 1,200 a month? Why don't they just buy the damn software?

Yeah, as Tom said all software you buy (office, windows, photoshop, etc) is a license to use the software (plus the cost of the media). You are not purchasing "the sofware," just the rights to use it. By Boeing paying Dassault a "subscription" then we get Dassault people on-site fixing problems that occur (and there are MANY) and we get specialized Boeing tools that they put into catia and enovia for us.


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 30726 times:

You can buy a student version of Catia V5 for around $100. Or you could always use the torrents...  duck 

User currently offlineDynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 851 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30631 times:



Quoting Airbuske (Reply 15):
You can buy a student version of Catia V5 for around $100.

I know of a Tier 2 on the 787 which used an academic version of Catia. I don't know why they didn't realise that they'd get caught out when their models went into Enovia.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 30623 times:

Hey guys

Not to change the topic, but anybody know of a good Free/Share/low cost cad software application.



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User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 30574 times:



Quoting Dynamicsguy (Reply 16):
I know of a Tier 2 on the 787 which used an academic version of Catia. I don't know why they didn't realise that they'd get caught out when their models went into Enovia.

I'm not the least bit surprised.... considering the crap that comes out of full-fledged "partners" i wouldn't expect tier 2 suppliers to be up to par...


User currently offlineBoacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 30492 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Not to change the topic, but anybody know of a good Free/Share/low cost cad software application.

Using the shareware X-plane flight simulator software, and creating a new aircraft based upon existing model information (the software has a very good flight dynamics model computation engine) - I think that could be an acceptable alternative to create your own airfoil shapes and see what the result is (dynamically with graphics). I gather you can create any arbitrary shape as an aircraft/spacecraft and ask X-plane to model it for you.

So, CAD -> 3d solid -> simulator could be replaced by Structure-> simulator process. And you get the advantages of multiple camera angles as well.


BOACVC10



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