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On Which Model (If) Did The 737 Stairs Stop?  
User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 630 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if newer 737's, 737,738,739's or previous versions have the airstairs built into them under the forward boarding door. If not which model was the last to receive this modification or is it airline specific?

Tchau

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

At SWA, our first three 733s had them, but the rest of our -3H4s didn't. Some of 733s that we obtained from other sources had them. None of the 735s or 737s have them.

Then again, I've heard that some other airlines with Classics and/or NGs have airstairs on theirs, so if so, I'd reckon that it's an option with Boeing.


User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

Boeing offers BBJs with a forward airstair option.

Here's a link:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/bbj/html/index_video.html

I don't know if any airlines have airstairs installed in their 737NG fleet.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17017 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Does Ryanair have the airstairs?


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7726 times:



Quoting CVG2LGA (Thread starter):
I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if newer 737's, 737,738,739's or previous versions have the airstairs built into them under the forward boarding door.

It's still an option.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Does Ryanair have the airstairs?

All their aircraft have airstairs, as far as I know.

Tom.


User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

BWIA had airstairs on their -800's.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4441 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Despite having the rear (ventral stairs) on the 727 having the forward stairs would have been quite handy at times just for the extra weight up front.

She was rather tail heavy, especially when lightly loaded.



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User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7660 times:

I think it is a option, as Easyjet have them with their 737-700's and Ryanair and Thomson on some of their newer 737-800's.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

While you are talking airstairs,
The first ten BA A320 delivered in 1988 had fwd airstairs fitted. They were later removed. Does any other A320 series aircraft have them? Our later A319 still have a blank fitted where the door should be.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5767 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

To your original question, I know they were standard on 737-100/200 aircraft. I THINK they were standard (but a delete-able feature) on classic -3/4/5 aircraft (hence Southwest doesn't have them).
I KNOW that they're now an OPTION on the -NGs. Ours don't have them, and neither do Continental's. I don't know about AA or DL, but I suspect they don't. They're a great feature if you do a lot of hardstand ops, like Ryanair does. But most carriers in the US wouldn't dream of actually letting you out on the ramp. They'd rather you sit in the plane for 1.5 hour while a gate opens up!


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7541 times:

I know NB and DM had them at some point on both the classics and NG's but they have been removed and placed in storage.

/Lars



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1644 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
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Quoting MX757 (Reply 2):
Boeing offers BBJs with a forward airstair option.

I believe the air stair is standard equipment on the BBJ’s, these airplanes are designed for the corporate jet market and as such they fly into airports that do not have airline service or have available a mobile air stair.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Its optional.but considering the weight saved,its not worth keeping them on the aircraft.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7489 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Its optional.but considering the weight saved,its not worth keeping them on the aircraft.

That really depends on what you're doing with them. Given Ryanair's extremely detailed operations planning, the mere fact that they continue to get them pretty much proves that they're worth their weight, if used in the right operating environment.

Tom.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7480 times:



Quoting Max Q (Reply 6):
Despite having the rear (ventral stairs) on the 727 having the forward stairs would have been quite handy at times just for the extra weight up front.

The 737-type of forward airstairs must have been optional on 727s although I don't think they were common. If memory correct, CP Air's 4 727-100s had them.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Its optional.but considering the weight saved,its not worth keeping them on the aircraft.

Ryanair, one of the most cost-conscious airlines imaginable, seems to disagree.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17017 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7454 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Its optional.but considering the weight saved,its not worth keeping them on the aircraft.

Ryanair, one of the most cost-conscious airlines imaginable, seems to disagree.

Ryanair flies to a lot of airports with no jetways. They also do really fast turnarounds so the airstairs probably save a few minutes as opposed to waiting for a ground stair.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7271 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Its optional.but considering the weight saved,its not worth keeping them on the aircraft.

Ryanair, one of the most cost-conscious airlines imaginable, seems to disagree.

Ryanair flies to a lot of airports with no jetways. They also do really fast turnarounds so the airstairs probably save a few minutes as opposed to waiting for a ground stair.

However, if someone is wating with a set of stairs to push up to the aircraft when it arrives, I think it's a little faster than waiting for the 737 airstairs to extend and the handrails connected at the top. However, using portable stairs requires ground staff who have to be paid, and the airports no doubt charge for use of the stairs (unless the airline supplies them), and Ryanair no doubt prefers to avoid those expenses. With the airstairs they're self-sufficient.

How many Ryanair flights use jetways/bridges at any of the airports they serve? It must be very few, if any.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7176 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
However, using portable stairs requires ground staff who have to be paid, and the airports no doubt charge for use of the stairs

The B737 airstair has Auto & stby modes & can be operated from within & outside the aircraft...Only precaution is the safety features in the stby system is bypassed so store the handrails before flipping the stby sw.  Smile

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
However, if someone is wating with a set of stairs to push up to the aircraft when it arrives

It depends on the area of operations.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Ryanair, one of the most cost-conscious airlines imaginable, seems to disagree.

Probably the weight carried & usage overrides the cost of hiring equipment for Ryanair.


regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

IIRC, at AS, N786AS had the airstairs. I dont know if they are still on that aircraft or not. I don't think we ever used them.... The aircraft was not originally delivered to AS.


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User currently offlineAirbatica From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Miami Air (LL) here in the states also has the forward airstairs on their 737NGs.

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

IIRC AM's 73G fleet is all air-stair equipped, dunno about the 738s though.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

All our B737 Freighters have got the Fwd Airstair removed for obvious reasons & thats a huge weight saving.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

I've posted this some years ago when this topic came up before, but some of the earliest 737's also had integral (I think they were optional) aft airstairs. I don't remember if any of the -200's had this feature as an option. They were quite heavy if I recall, and rarely used in CO service.

Continental (Ex Lufthansa) -130:

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 22):
I've posted this some years ago when this topic came up before, but some of the earliest 737's also had integral (I think they were optional) aft airstairs. I don't remember if any of the -200's had this feature as an option.

I think all the 737-200C combis had the rear airstairs, at least those that flew (and several still fly) in Canada. Resolute Bay (YRB) where the bottom photo below was taken is the most northerly airport in North America (74 deg. latitude, about 900 nm from the North Pole) that's ever had scheduled jet service. The runway there is gravel.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6655 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
I think all the 737-200C combis had the rear airstairs,

Not all....Again optional.
regds
MEL



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25 AirframeAS : Our 290C's had them at AS.
26 JER757 : Airstairs are only useful at airports with no other available facilities. Down in JER we see BA 737s with and without integral airstairs. The a/c with
27 Tdscanuck : That's not entirely true. Ryanair uses the airstairs at airports that have jetways all the time, primarily for cost reduction I think. Also not true,
28 HAWK21M : The Auto system with sequence switches is a Mx problem frequently.Unless the sequence switch is contacted,the next action of the Airstair/carriage/do
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