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Color Schemes, Painted Or Decals?  
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

I've been in a discussion with my dad regarding colorschemes on aircraft, both special ones like the anniversary ones and regular schemes. Are they painted or are the actually decalls stuck on the plane??

Staffan

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User currently offlineTop Gun From Canada, joined May 1999, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Painted.

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Thanks, that's what I thought!!

Staffan


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6295 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Decals are very heavily used on aircraft. For instance, World Airways is pure decal. Most major airline titles and tails are decals.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineCrewChief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

NWA`s 747 "World Plane" markings have all been decals, the largest ever made by the manufacturer, 3M.

CC32


User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Sorry, but I find that a little hard to believe-wouldn't they heavily corrode going over 600 miles an hour with wind, and everything else? Or is a protective coating sprayed over them?


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

World Airways' use of stickers makes sense, because they frequently wetlease their planes and need to put o.a. titles on their a/c.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Complicated Logos on the Vertical Fin/Rudder is sometimes Decal.
Most Airlines use paint.
Decals are easier to install & remove.
regds.
HAWK.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Maybe a little confusion on the matter is caused by the fact that the masks that are used temporarily for painting are made and applied similarly to the stay-on decals. But the masks are removed after spraying the paint.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10748 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

I´ve flown with B-HOX, Cathay´s special-livery "Millennium"-Jumbo and can tell its made from decals.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6295 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

We are not talking about decals anything similar to what you put on a model airplane. These things are very sturdy. When I worked on aircraft, The time allocated on a non routine card to remove AA titles from a DC-10 was more than that allowed for the AD on the spoiler mixers. For a simple decal application on the World MD-11, we allowed about 12 man hours.

Paint is much easier to remove. Spray on the remover and wait. Decals you take pieces of phenolic, heat guns, and a manlift or two and scrape all day long.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

I have been around experiments with both painting and dacaling on a variety of aircraft. My opinion is paint it!

Depending on the aircraft, and where the "object" is to be placed can make the differance where the logo is to placed. This can't be learned except by trial and error.

Some aircraft are exceptionaly clean in some areas, meaning that the decal won't last.

The Merlin III B, forget putting a decal on fusalage forward of the cockpit and on the nacelles. Gone in a 100 hours, nothing left but the glue.

The Lear 25 & 35, forget the fusalage from nose to engine inlets, nacells OK. Tail OK. Under the cockpit side windows, 25 hours maybe.

Metro III decals are OK anywhere on the airframe except nacelles, heat and oil oozing.

Cessna 441, okay anywhere, go figure, it's a fast, fly high airplane.

Any piston twin, okay except on nacelles, to much oil oozing.


User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

What about Qantas' Wunula Dreaming and Nalanji color schemes? Are they decals or painted? In addition, is Thai's Royal Barge scheme on their 747-400 painted? If so approximately how long does it take to paint those elaborate color schemes?


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User currently offlineTechspec From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Some are painted, some are decal and many are combinations of both.

Take a look at the Western Pacific 737 photos. They are the best example of decal and paint combinations.


Most of the decals are a 3M product. As far as eroding or falling off in flight - when properly installed a clear coat sealant is applied to the edges of the decal and in some instances a clear coat is applied to the entire decal.


User currently offlineVapourTrails From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
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While on the topic..

How often would an aircraft be repainted in it's lifetime?

How often does it need repainting if it stays with the same airline and has the same livery for many years?

Does painting and repainting affect the metal underneath after a while, or does it help preserve it longer?

Sorry for being so inquisitive but I really want to know!!

=



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User currently offlineAtlamt From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 240 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

VapourTrails,

I don't have an exact number as to how often an aircraft needs to be repainted in it's lifetime. I do know that since the EPA has changed the rules about what can be used in paint the paint dosen't seem to hold up as well. Maybe someone with a little more experience with this can answer your question.

If the a/c stays with the same livery it can go many years without needing repainting. Just remember that when an a/c goes in for heavy maint. roughly every 4 years the painters do touch up the a/c.

The other day I saw a 757 in the paint hangar which had been stripped from the old livery which it wore for about 10 years. The metal where the paint was looked like a mirror. So to answer your question yes paint does preserve the metal.

chris




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