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Is The A380 The Most Advance Airliner Today?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3736 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

I herd John Travolta regard to the A380 as the most advance airliner flying today. Is the A380 that advance, because I thought it cockpit was simulator to the A320 and A330/A340. So is the A380 the most advance airliner in the world?



PS: I still remember when the 777 was the most advance airliner in the world.

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10592 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I herd John Travolta regard to the A380 as the most advance airliner flying today. Is the A380 that advance, because I thought it cockpit was simulator to the A320 and A330/A340. So is the A380 the most advance airliner in the world?

Cockpit similarity doesn't tell you much about technology level. Flight deck philosophies change pretty slowly for the simple reason of not having to completely start from scratch on training when you bring in a new type.

If you're used to a 757 cockpit, the layout and controls will feel pretty familiar on a 767, 777, and 787. There's differences, obviously, but they're more similar than different...a lot of the advances are in things that are transparent to the flight crew, like structures, system architecture, power technologies, etc.

Tom.


User currently offlineOvrpowrd727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10582 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 1):
a lot of the advances are in things that are transparent to the flight crew, like structures, system architecture, power technologies, etc.

agreed, the advances are the things that people would not notice right away. the cockpit tends to remain similar throughout the years for the benefit of the pilots. slight advances are usually to navigation first then everything following afterwards. i'm sure the technology used is the latest available and usually the latest aircraft to come out is the 'most advanced'


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10579 times:

No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10574 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

I disagree. There are big advances in hydraulics (higher pressure IIRC) and other things. Also the most advanced plumbing of any airliner.

These are not flashy things, but they do count.



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User currently offlineOvrpowrd727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

the engine options on the super are also brand spanking new, still have the new car smell...no other engines like it out there for any other existing airliners

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 10558 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

I'm not sure that's acccurate. Are any other commercial airliners running around with electrohydraulic actuators? It's also the first commercial application of GLARE that I'm aware of, and possibly the first of active load alleviation (although that might be on prior Airbii). I think they're also the first to do brake-to-vacate.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
I disagree. There are big advances in hydraulics (higher pressure IIRC) and other things.

Higher pressure is the only hydraulic difference that I know of, although the addition of the EHA's allowed them to go to two hydraulic systems, which is a major architectural change (service history will tell if that's an advance or not).

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Also the most advanced plumbing of any airliner.

I hadn't heard about that one...what did they do to the plumbing?

Tom.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 10550 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Also the most advanced plumbing of any airliner.

I hadn't heard about that one...what did they do to the plumbing?

Higher pressure IIRC. Nothing revolutionary really. Also they had to deal with greater pipe lengths than anyone before them. "Bravely flushing where no turd has been flushed before".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oxtc4o0Q1I

And of course lately embedding doesn't work in some cases: "Tags Not Allowed

Certain symbols, tags and intrusive commands are not allowed in our messaging application. If you believe you reached this message in error, please contact us at support@airliners.net. " WTF???



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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1604 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10501 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

Sorry thats utter nonsense. I know some people don't like the fact the A380 being so advanced and like to tag it as a big alu frame with a modern cockpit but nothing else.

But the A380 features a big list of innovations and airliners firsts:

-Very high sophisticated IMA avionics first time on a widebody
-Power by Wire industry's first 2E/2H actuator structure
-first ACUTE System (Airbus Cockpit Universal Thrust Emulator)
-biggest and most advanced RAT and APU in the world
-high psi hydraulics system with only two circuits instead of three like the 787
-first plane with GLARE
-Network Systems Server (NSS)
-first widebody with variable-frequency electrical generators
-new unique load allevation system
-first CFRP wingbox for commercial aircraft of more than 100 seats
-Brake to Vacate
-etc...
-etc..
etc..

I'm sorry if people like you don't like the truth.  talktothehand 



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9536 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10496 times:

I suspect there's some confusion between "the most advanced" and "way more advanced than anything else in the skies". If there's any advancement at all over previous airliners then it must be the most advanced airliner (from Airbus, at least), even if it's not "way more" advanced, should it not?  Smile

I'm not saying it is the most advanced but the fact that it isn't utterly revolutionary doesn't stop it from being "the most advanced".


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10185 posts, RR: 97
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10467 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

You want to point to the other airliner around today that is:-

more advanced?  no 
as advanced?  no 
anywhere near?  scratchchin 

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 8):
etc...
-etc..
etc

And there are indeed etceteras to add to that list

(e.g CFRP tailcone barrels which are bigger than the 787's - admittedly not single piece)
And we haven't even got anywhere near mentioning aerodynamic technology yet.. the least visible, and quite possibly the most significant aspect of the A380's design  cheerful   cheerful 

That caucus of posters who label the A380 "old" technology really, really want to think about what they're saying, given the level of performance and capability it is demonstrating.
Particularly relative to it's "787 technology-based" rival  stirthepot   biggrin 

Imagine if Airbus had actually done anything even remotely advanced..  faint 
Just shows how incredibly good the basic A380 design is..  champagne   bigthumbsup 

Rgds


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4634 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10439 times:
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Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 8):
Power by Wire industry's first 2E/2H actuator structure



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 8):
high psi hydraulics system with only two circuits instead of three like the 787



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Also the most advanced plumbing of any airliner.

Three aspects that, when combined, make it the first wide body which is flyable with a TOTAL hydraulic failure.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
That caucus of posters who label the A380 "old" technology really, really want to think about what they're saying, given the level of performance and capability it is demonstrating.

And looking at the flags next to their pseudos, a good example of acute NIH syndrome, I daresay.



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4634 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10423 times:
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Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
and possibly the first of active load alleviation (although that might be on prior Airbii).

The load alleviation system was introduced, as far as I know on the Dassault Mercure and the Losckheed Tristar-500 in the seventies/eighties, though not in the digital advanced state we saw on the 320 and the 380.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10422 times:



Quoting Pihero (Reply 11):

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Also the most advanced plumbing of any airliner.

Three aspects that, when combined, make it the first wide body which is flyable with a TOTAL hydraulic failur

To be fair I was talking about the toilets. Big grin



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10185 posts, RR: 97
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10410 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
To be fair I was talking about the toilets.  biggrin 

 rotfl 
And the showers of course..  biggrin 

Rgds


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10386 times:

I don't know if it is the most advanced feature on the A380 (I don't have engineering expertise) but the most impressive thing to me is the wings. They are immensly big and show that this bird was built to grow and grow. Proportionally speaking, the A380 looks like an A318 or A319.

I mentioned in another thread that an 89m A380-900 with GE-NX/Trent XWB, and increased MTOW would be amazing. The A380 is just getting started with improvements and the best is yet to come. I just hope there is room for the 747-8I too because it would be such a shame to lose such an iconic aircraft.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10185 posts, RR: 97
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10351 times:
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Quoting NorCal (Reply 15):
They are immensly big and show that this bird was built to grow and grow. Proportionally speaking, the A380 looks like an A318 or A319.

 checkmark 
The 767-200 is 48m L x 47m W
The A330-200 is 60m L x 60m W
The 777-200 is 64m L x 60m W

And these are the shortest planes in their family.

In your analogy, the current 73m L x 80m W A380-800 is most like the A318  Wow!
An 80m L x 80m W A380-900 would be square in planform like the A319  scratchchin 
In fact, you'd need to go to S U-H's A380-1000 dream-machine before you hit the same basic shape configuration as an A320...  faint 

When you look at that, an 86m+ A380 isn't (technically) far-fetched at all.

Quoting NorCal (Reply 15):
I just hope there is room for the 747-8I too because it would be such a shame to lose such an iconic aircraft.

Totally agree with this - the more 4-holers, the better, as far as I'm concerned, and the 747 has to be the most iconic 4-holer around.  highfive 

Rgds


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2841 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10319 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

Fine. What is the most advanced airliner today, then?


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3736 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10308 times:



Quoting NorCal (Reply 15):
I just hope there is room for the 747-8I too because it would be such a shame to lose such an iconic aircraft.

I agree, do not get me wronng now, I can not wait to see the A380-900, but as 747 fan, I would like to see 747s say a while longer. She the last of the giant clippers that Boeing and Pan Am design together, so she is truly an iconic aircraft.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13444 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10166 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
And we haven't even got anywhere near mentioning aerodynamic technology yet

I've been impressed with the performance despite an overweight issue!  wideeyed  Now that is exceeding the mark in this one category.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 16):
In your analogy, the current 73m L x 80m W A380-800 is most like the A318

 checkmark  The plane has so much additional MTOW and MLW potential it screams to be stretched.  spin 

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 16):
When you look at that, an 86m+ A380 isn't (technically) far-fetched at all.

Are you coming over to my way of thinking?  Wink 87m or 89m Baby!  spit 

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 16):
, and the 747 has to be the most iconic 4-holer around.

No argument there. She will always be the Queen of the skies to me.  cloudnine  But that doesn't mean that the A380 might not be advanced to the point that the market niche for the 748I isn't closed.  Sad

Lightsaber



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4634 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10126 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
To be fair I was talking about the toilets.


We are not amused !
Scatology in an aviation forum, oh Dear ! How low can we get !?!
 Big grin



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10079 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
No.. the only thing new it brings is size. There is nothing new that the A380 brings to the table.

Wrong.

Quoting Ovrpowrd727 (Reply 5):
the engine options on the super are also brand spanking new, still have the new car smell...no other engines like it out there for any other existing airliners

Sadly, the engines are the least advanced thing on the airplane. The GEnx and Trent 1000 as well as the Trent XWB are all more advanced.

Not in service, but certified.

On the plus side, the A380-900 and A380-800R should both have the Trent XWB.

NS


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10071 times:



Quoting Pihero (Reply 20):

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 14):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
To be fair I was talking about the toilets.


We are not amused !
Scatology in an aviation forum, oh Dear ! How low can we get !?!

Hehe. Jokes aside, good plumbing may not be sexy but without it modern society would not really be viable. Same with garbage collection.



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User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10069 times:

But its fugly...  duck 
I'm sorry... I had to say it  Smile


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10185 posts, RR: 97
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10032 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 21):
Sadly, the engines are the least advanced thing on the airplane. The GEnx and Trent 1000 as well as the Trent XWB are all more advanced.

Don't disagree that the T900 is less advanced than those other engines. Which again, IMO, is an implicit statement about the quality of the rest of the aircraft.. As I said,

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
Imagine if Airbus had actually done anything even remotely advanced..  faint 

That said, in the spirit of the thread, I suspect the T900 and GP7000 are actually fairly comfortably the most advanced engines currently in revenue service on an airliner - until the 787 flies anyway...  Smile

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 19):
The plane has so much additional MTOW and MLW potential it screams to be stretched.  spin 

I hear it, man, I hear it!!!  bigthumbsup 

Rgds


25 David L : Indeed. The Wright brothers will be yawning in their graves.
26 Cobra27 : Currently most advanced aircraft in service - Yes When 787 and A350 come- No more Engines - As mentioned earilier no quite advanced, they still have c
27 Pihero : The air cycle machine is not part of the engine. Please revise your sources. It does, indeed have electric actuators - and more . Probably. It still
28 Astuteman : Would you consider this to be the true measure of engine "advancement".. Not sure I understand this. See what these gentlemen had to say earlier.. Do
29 Tdscanuck : It's also still present in a bleedless architecture...the 787 has an ACM, as far as I know, it's just not powered by engine bleed air. Tom.
30 Pihero : Some apparently don't know that . "Bleedless" seems to have other meanings... Regards
31 SpeedBirdA380 : What a truly ignorant comment. Yes indeed. Yes. I remember reading somewhere they were designed to give future models of the A380 a MTOW of nearly 65
32 EMBQA : The OP was asking about the changes in the cockpit.
33 Luv2cattlecall : JW, could you please elaborate on that? Sounds interesting.... does it have anything to do with making the engine displays the same regardless of eng
34 Post contains links Tdscanuck : Airbus, very sensibly, went to a single thrust measurement to get away from the N1/EPR/TPR lunacy plaguing other aircraft. Now it's just thrust (THR)
35 Astuteman : I would take it to be fairly accurate... Rgds
36 Cobra27 : It affects engine operation maybe some, majority is still hydraulics, check wikipedia
37 TristarSteve : Like De Havilland had on the Trident in 1963. An indicator that read 100pc thrust at take off power. It was adjusted by the crew to an ISA type table
38 WN700Driver : What competition? A corsair 743? And the validity of that statement assumes you are going to one of the very few airports certified for A380 operatio
39 Astuteman : To be fair, there would be something wrong if the 787 and A350 didn't move the game further on still (whether they will move EVERYTHING further on is
40 Rheinwaldner : How long would the A321-like A380 be? I am asking myself whether an ultra long A380, which of course would only have medium range, would be attractiv
41 767nutter : Just to add a simple idea, but didn't the Trident have an Auto Take Off feature? The A380 doesn't. So in theory the Trident could still be more advanc
42 SpeedBirdA380 : Thanks. That is stunning. So theorectically If Airbus do decide to manufacture an advanced version of the A380(and I think they will) it could have a
43 EMBQA : Sure it is....How long have each of order books been open...??? A380..8yrs..? A350..1yr - 1-1/2yrs..? That puts the A380 at one every 15 days... the
44 Bellerophon : 767nutter ...didn't the Trident have an Auto Take Off feature?... No. Best Regards Bellerophon
45 SpeedBirdA380 : I dont think many would argue against the notion that the A380 sales have been dissapointing. Im not disputing that. However keep in mind that there
46 Astuteman : It could. For what it's worth, I think advances in technology, such as GTF will retrospectively show that the A380 was, indeed over-engineered. I can
47 David L : Perhaps you're thinking of one of the first autoland facilities in commercial service, 767nutter?
48 Pihero : 1/- For the ACM, either you pick air from the engines through a bleed system or you do from a RAM air scoop. 1.A/- You lose some power from the engin
49 Pihero : And the good discussion on the engines... Apparently, not many have realised that for comparison, the A380 at 560 t / 70 t of thrust the B744 at 397
50 Tdscanuck : There's no humidification difference between a bleed and bleedless ACM...they're both getting outside air with the same humidity (effectively zero at
51 Pihero : Thanks, Tom. That makes a lot more sense to me than the usual propaganda.
52 Francoflier : That bleed v. bleedless debate is an interesting one, and I'm curious to see how it'll turn out. What exactly is the difference in terms of power robb
53 Tdscanuck : There are two major differences: -Core mass flow: a bleed system takes mass flow out of the compressor so, for a given N2, less air is going through
54 Francoflier : Thanks for the answers. And, yes, it is a leap of faith, especially since so many other new technologies are being introduced in this airplane at the
55 SEPilot : On the face of it, I would not consider this an advance, but if indeed you can still fly with total hydraulic failure, I might reconsider. The only c
56 Astuteman : It's OK. My wife says I'm "fugly", and I have to live with that.... Anyway, pies are for eating in my neck of the woods... Rgds
57 Keesje : & if we take the 757-300 for reference 38 x 54.4, the A380 Ultra Udvar XXL lenght would be 114 m.. no doubt the landing gear would be pretty high too
58 Tdscanuck : It sort of depends on what you mean by "total hydraulic failure". The EHA's don't require anything from the outside world other than a control signal
59 TristarSteve : What the Trident did have was a PVD (Paravisual display) This was a horizontal barbers pole in the coaming in front of each pilot. It was driven by t
60 NorCal : You could even come up with a good marketing campaign for that "The A380-UUXXL, now flying entire villages." "The A380-UUXXL, man's own solar eclipse
61 SEPilot : Actually, in my grinding machine designing days I had a lot of arguments with the sales manager who wanted changes that would impact function for the
62 Finkenwerder : Far and away the most advanced airliner flying. AFDX NSS OMT OIT To name just a few items.
63 Astuteman : Would that be based on how long it takes for the nose to arrive at the destination, or the tail?.. Rgds
64 NorCal : The tail obviously, because then I would get higher block times I would also like to request that they increase the head room in the cockpit of the A
65 767nutter : Must have been a stunt then, I was watching a National Geographic programme presented by Bruce Dickinson who was talking about the classic british bui
66 Baroque : Those stats bring the argument about how heavy the beast is back to earth with a bit of a thump. As A suggests, a goodly part of the weight is to mak
67 WN700Driver : No A380 sales in '08. Cancellation of every variant but the 800. Add to that the fact that the program is probably only half paid for, if that, I'd s
68 SEPilot : From what I have seen it's a marvelous design. But it answers a question that too few have asked, and so the justification for building it wasn't the
69 Astuteman : Presumably I'll wake up in a minute... That'll be the -F put on hold then.. There have been no other variants to cancel, yet. Way too soon to say tha
70 SEPilot : You're absolutely right. But that doesn't stop me from shooting my mouth (or rather keyboard) off...
71 Starlionblue : One could of course argue that Boeing didn't want to be the second entrant into a saturated market segment. The VLA market is too small for two playe
72 WN700Driver : Can't fight the truth with semantics. Two customers, one canceled, the other put on permanent deferral. Both of those customers have ordered replacem
73 Baroque : Now you have "proved" the 900 WILL be built as there was apparently no business case for the 800 - either.
74 WingedMigrator : You sound like one of those experts who will argue up and down that it all revolves around the NOSE DOOR The A380F as originally proposed will indeed
75 AutoThrust : Says who?? You? Nonsense, Louis Gallois and Tom Enders confirmed separately the freighter will see day of light. Probably after the A380-900 and diff
76 Astuteman : True indeed. Nor would I. But fighting semantics with the truth? That should be more acceptable, shouldn't it? Was I intended to interpret this as op
77 Astuteman : And yet the chances are that without the delays, the programme would already be nearing it's published break-even sales figure, only a couple of year
78 WN700Driver : Interpret it however you want. There. Will. Be. No. Freighter. Ever. And no, it has nothing to do with range or nosedoors. If that were the case there
79 Astuteman : But. There. Was. One. Once. And. It. Would. Have. Been. In. Service. By. Now. If. There. Had. Been. No. Delays. And. By. The. Way. FX. Still. Maintai
80 SEPilot : This is my position as well. I believe that Airbus would have done better by building an A336 or something to directly compete with the 777/747, rath
81 Baroque : The floor seems integral to the structure, but it would be surprising if given a few years break if the cunning folk at Airbus do not produce a revis
82 A342 : Does the A380F have enough main deck floor width to squeeze in two 125in pallets laterally side by side? If no, would it be possible to gain a few cm
83 Caryjack : Both the 748I and the A380 are VLAs, right? I understand that Boeing was the first entrant into the VLA market. Boeing invented and is working to rem
84 SEPilot : Well, some on this forum argue that only the A380 is truly a VLA. If you accept the argument of those mentioned above, then Airbus was the first and
85 David L : Call it what you like but I think it's clear Starlionblue was referring to "the market that the 380 is aimed at", in which case I have to agree with
86 Starlionblue : Quite. Splitting hairs about what defines a VLA does not invalidate my argument.
87 WingedMigrator : Who has ever suggested removal of the upper deck floor? Far from being a "problem", the very notion is ridiculous. How is loading pallets 8 meters up
88 SpeedyGonzales : Was it ever the most advanced? Remember that the 330/340 preceeded it by a couple of years. I suppose it might be dificult to give a definite answer
89 SEPilot : Try it sometime; it will be very illuminating. The difficulty of operating a forklift goes up by about the cube of the height that you are trying to
90 WingedMigrator : Good for you, but your personal experience with fork lifts is totally irrelevant to scissor lifts used in pallet loaders. You're making it up! Upper
91 Caryjack : It doesn’t matter what I like to call her, the fact is that a B747 is a VLA. Clearly the A380 has a segment of the VLA market to herself and no one
92 Starlionblue : Fine, I'll rephrase. The market for aircraft with over 500 passengers is too small for more than one player. Perhaps it is too small for ANY players.
93 David L : And that's the point. Giving them the same classification doesn't make them serve the same markets. It's an arbitrary term. I still agree with Starli
94 Starlionblue : That is indeed all I was saying.
95 Scbriml : Your credibility will be a problem if you keep saying things like this! Hint - search Airbus's website.
96 WN700Driver : Actually, any credibility issues are yours alone. I can't say anything about your intent, but your research is spotty there. Look closely, I made my p
97 MD-90 : In terms of the most advanced civil cockpit flying I wonder if the Dassault 7X or Gulfstream 550 would be ahead of the A380 purely in terms of their c
98 Post contains images Scbriml : I don't think so. My research is spotty? No, you need to look closely - Airbus already had an A380 sale booked in February this year!   [Edited 200
99 TristarSteve : He is talking about Catering which is delivered to the upper deck on the A380, unlike the B744 where it is delivered to Door 2R and sent up the singl
100 WN700Driver : I believe every bit of that. And if he is talking about catering being serviced at that level, yes that does happen every day. What doesn't, as I sai
101 David L : Well, one man's insecurity is another man's counterargument, of course. A closer look at these debates might reveal that neither "side" is more or le
102 Caryjack : Thanks Starlionblue, your replies are, as always, positive and informative. Perhaps larger twins will continue to push an ever smaller group of quads
103 Finkenwerder : Once you start to understand and use the A380's systems you cannot help but be impressed with the depth of technology that is employed on the aircraft
104 Astuteman : You will be hampered sadly, by the fact that 90% of posters on here can't see past either the the plane's lack of CFRP barrels or its size.. I would
105 Astuteman : No? Your definition of insecurity being that someone holds a counterview? In truth, I suspect that most people who have reacted to your comments don'
106 WN700Driver : Nothing like it. It just get's a little old when people jump all over you for saying that something that can't be done, can't be done. The fact is tha
107 Astuteman : I personally haven't seen any possibilities that are nonsensical in anything other than your opinion, though. And whatever you profess your qualifica
108 AutoThrust : Impressive! Great post. Would like to know more, really fascinating stuff. I think i'm not the only one. Sadly there are many people who don't even w
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