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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Hi all,

Sorry for abusing the title of 2H4/Jason's quiz game but I am much impressed by its participants' ability to recognize aircraft from pictures of obscure parts, and I'm hoping you could help out with an old aircraft, part of a monument I stumbled upon in Bukittinggi, Sumatra three years ago, and that nobody has been able to identify so far:


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http://home.tiscali.nl/vliegmachines/anson1.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/vliegmachines/anson2.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/vliegmachines/anson3.jpg
http://home.tiscali.nl/vliegmachines/anson4.jpg
http://www.horizonten.nl/pix/anson.jpg

It's portraying an Avro Anson, and when I was there I didn't really doubt that it was - I certainly thought it was a genuine WW II era aircraft with fake engines. The fuselage seems too deep for an Anson, though, except for a late model metal fuselage Anson, and the wingtips are odd. Other people have said it seemed to be a smaller aircraft, perhaps a Piper light twin, disguised as an Anson, or even a complete fake with no original aircraft parts. However, based on Google Earth I think the fuselage is about 12 metres long, which is about right for an Anson, and I don't think a complete fake would have static dischargers. So my personal guess is a poorly restored Anson wreck, but I'm very curious what your trained eyes may be seeing.

Thanks

Peter Smile


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
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I don't doubt it's an Anson. The landing gear is not only unique, but also seems to match pretty well. Also, the Anson in this shot shares the same rear door (but not window) shape:


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My guess? Any odd details of the one in Bukittinggi can be chalked up to the British fondness for producing seemingly endless examples of slightly different sub-variants.

And don't worry about abusing the thread title. It doesn't concern me at all. It just might, however, produce some coffee-covered keyboards as "Identify This" contestants browse the forum during their morning routine.  Wink

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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Peter, think it is an Anson 1 or Mk.1 which had different windows compared to the 652.


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Also so the front section was quite different.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Looking at this, RI-003 was carried by a Stinson Sentinel that crashed in July 1948 and the (original) Anson was RI-004. The aircraft that crashed with Perkanadusum on board was an Australian Anson registered VH-BDY - which might, or not, have been RI-003 given other links that have this as an Anson as well.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1952/1952%20-%203547.html



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Thanks guys. Some knowledgeable people have really doubted it was an Anson, but maybe they were fooled into thinking it's a smaller aircraft by the statues, which seem to be larger than life.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 2):
Peter, think it is an Anson 1 or Mk.1 which had different windows compared to the 652.

Willem, the roof above the windows seems to be a little high for an Anson I.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
My guess? Any odd details of the one in Bukittinggi can be chalked up to the British fondness for producing seemingly endless examples of slightly different sub-variants.



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
the Anson in this shot

I googled that aircraft, VH-BAF, and found a website describing how many Ansons underwent modifications in Australia after the war. Some got metal wings and all. So that could also explain any odd details. It's quite plausible that this one comes from Australia.

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 3):

Hi Andrew,

You're right, the Anson that this airframe is portraying may or may not have carried 'RI-003'.
This one is certainly not the real, airframe but if you're interested in the historical background, this document may be of interest to you.
http://nei.adf-serials.com/indonesian-aviation-1945-50.pdf

The killed pilot's name was Halim Pedanakusuma. I believe he was originally trained by the Dutch Navy. The military airfield in Jakarta, Halim, is named after him.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):

Thanks, that's interesting. I did find that link the other day, but I think the server was down or something so I didn't get to read it then.



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