SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 21 Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10118 times:
Since Airbus launched its "enhanced interior" on their Airbus A318/19/20/21 a/c, I have been curious as to if Boeing might do the same with the 73NG? Perhaps applying the 787 cabin features to the 737 fleet. I ask this is because it seems like the 737 replacement seems to be several years away, and maybe this could be a feature to please some of their 737 customers. Does this seem like a decent possibility?
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LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10078 times:
Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter): Perhaps applying the 787 cabin features to the 737 fleet.
Well since the fuselage is made of aluminium, and not composite, the windows will keep their current size.
Though installing 777 style interiors, such as pivot over head bins, and new side walls with rounded window edges would be very nice. In fact pivot bins can be used in the upper deck of a 744, some airlines actually have 737-style bins in the upper deck. So fitting pivot bins in 737s wouldn't seem too impossible IMHO.
It would certainly give the 737 a more spacious feel. Something many people have complained about is that the 737 cabin feels more narrow and more cramped than the A320. So i guess that this could might solve the problem.
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Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 10544 posts, RR: 71 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10054 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 1): Though installing 777 style interiors, such as pivot over head bins, and new side walls with rounded window edges would be very nice.
Why go for the 777 interior when you could do the 787? The current Boeing Signature interior on the 737 is pretty close to the 777 (not including the pivot bins).
PlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 2): The current Boeing Signature interior on the 737 is pretty close to the 777 (not including the pivot bins).
However, the pivot bins are the key feature of Boeing´s Signature Interior in the 777. The 737´s interior, without the pivot bins looks very, very different than how the 777´s looks.
I previously thought that it wasn´t possible to install pivot bins in narrowbodies, because of the lack of crown space. If it is indeed possible, why wasn´t the 737 fitted with them in the first place?
And why airlines like Qantas choose to have regular bins over pivot bins on the main deck of their A380s?
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17396 posts, RR: 59 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9927 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 1): Something many people have complained about is that the 737 cabin feels more narrow and more cramped than the A320.
Well, the 737 is narrower than the A320.
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4799 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9926 times:
Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter): I have been curious as to if Boeing might do the same with the 73NG? Perhaps applying the 787 cabin features to the 737 fleet.
Boeing gave the 737NG a substantial update from the classic 737s to begin with; the "enhanced" interior was what Airbus came up with as a response. In my opinion, while the A320 has a nice cabin, the 737NG is still nicer. That said, I love the quietness of the Airbus.
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 1): In fact pivot bins can be used in the upper deck of a 744
Pivot bins are standard on the upper deck of the 744, even before the improved one. THEY'RE SMALL.
Pivot bins take up a lot of space, and on most (look at the outboard bins on the 764 and 777) the "lip" of the bin comes DOWNWARD. On a big plane, that's not a problem, but on a 737 you're already having to duck to get into the window or middle seat. No point in making it more difficult.
Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 3): I previously thought that it wasn´t possible to install pivot bins in narrowbodies, because of the lack of crown space. If it is indeed possible, why wasn´t the 737 fitted with them in the first place?
One word, three times for emphasis: COST, COST, COST.
The 737 is meant to be an economical aircraft to acquire, feed, and maintain. Your average KLM or Delta or China Southern passenger doesn't care about pivot bins on a five hour flight from AMS to TLV, from ATL to SEA, or from PVG to PEK.
The airline does- and those bins cost more money.
Finally, pivot bins were designed to bring the overhead bin to a more accessible height when open, for easier access by passengers. On a narrowbody, the ceiling isn't as far away as on a widebody, so the original problem is pretty much a moot point.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9884 times:
The A320 enhanced interiors entered service in 2007 with NIKI, they are lighter (weight), more spacious (bins 20% / cabin width ) and require less maintenance.
photo: Manfred Biel
Making the interior lighter and offering more space could be a reason to redo the 737 NG interior. Not sure if cost would beat the additional investments..
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17761 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9724 times:
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 7): Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The A320 enhanced interiors entered service in 2007 with NIKI
Vueling also has them. I like them a lot, very nice.
I was on what appeared to be an almost brand new BA A320 a couple of weeks ago LHR-GVA with what I assume was the enhanded interior (slightly different ceiling panels, lighting, etc.) It looked a little more modern but not a very big difference.
The biggest improvement is deletion of the very small seat row numbers as part of the little lights that go on when you press the flight attendant call button. That location for Airbus seat numbers has always made then hard to see and often seems to slow boarding when passengers can't find the seat numbers. With the new design the seat/row numbers are where they should be, just below the overhead bin doors where you expect to find them, and in much larger type.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 29818 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9628 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9): The biggest improvement is deletion of the very small seat row numbers as part of the little lights that go on when you press the flight attendant call button
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9570 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
What shape are they now? Triangular? Confused
No, they are rectangular, and the edges are rather sharp. Take a look:
This kind of windows are found on the B737, 757 and 767-200/300 the non refurbushed that is.
The window i meant was a B777 window, also found on the 747-400, 767-400 and the refurbushed 200 and 300s. As you can see, the window has the shape of a rectangle, but with rounded edges.
And for your information this is an Airbus window, found on the A320 family, A330 and A340.
As you can see the window is oval shaped, in case you didn't know how distinguish diffrent kind of aircraft windows.
Oh, and this is an MD-80/90 and B717 window. As you can see it looks a bit like a mixture between the A320 and 737 windows.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17761 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9556 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5): pivot bins were designed to bring the overhead bin to a more accessible height when open, for easier access by passengers. On a narrowbody, the ceiling isn't as far away as on a widebody, so the original problem is pretty much a moot point.
Exactly. And since bins are usually opened before passengers board, pivot bins on 737s would hang down so low that it would be difficult to climb into your seat without awkward ducking and/or banging your head on the bin doors.
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The biggest improvement is deletion of the very small seat row numbers as part of the little lights that go on when you press the flight attendant call button
Any details.
On the new BA A320 they were just the standard type of seat number signs attached just below the overhead bin doors. I think there's a handrail there and the seat numbers are in the back of the slot between the overhead bin and handrail. Basically, identical to what you find on B737s and almost every other aircraft. Nothing high-tech but much more readable than the old little lighted indicators.
PlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9364 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12): The window i meant was a B777 window, also found on the 747-400, 767-400 and the refurbushed 200 and 300s. As you can see, the window has the shape of a rectangle, but with rounded edges.
Are you sure that 777 style windows are present on refurbished 767-200/300s?. I think those aircraft, not matter if they are refurbished or not, feature the rectangular window design.
Back in topic, flightblogger recently announced Boeing is working in a 787 inspired interior enhancement for the 737, for release in 2009 (flydubai would be the launch customer)
They won´t say what differences will implement in this new interior. What are your bets?
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 22939 posts, RR: 78 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9357 times:
Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 15): They won´t say what differences will implement in this new interior. What are your bets?
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9340 times:
Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 15): Are you sure that 777 style windows are present on refurbished 767-200/300s?. I think those aircraft, not matter if they are refurbished or not, feature the rectangular window design.
You're absolutely correct! The T7 window is in fact larger than the 767 window, though the sidewalls may look very similar, they give an impression of that the windows are the same, but when studying them closer i could clearly see a big difference between them.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14): However dude, I think you spend far too much time studying windows!
Yeah, i might do. Though for some weird reason i find it quite interesting. And i think it's good to know how the diffrent kinds of windows look, if you might see a pic showing only a small part of the plane (a window included).
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17761 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9309 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12): The window i meant was a B777 window, also found on the 747-400, 767-400 and the refurbushed 200 and 300s. As you can see, the window has the shape of a rectangle, but with rounded edges.
I think you are wrong re the 747-400. I have flown on many 744s and have never noticed the window being a different shape from all other earlier 747s. If you look at the many closeup A.net 744 photos you will not notice any difference.
Also, what are you referring to re "refurbished 767-200s and -300s"? I am not aware of windows being changed on any refurbished aircraft. That would be an extremely expensive, if not impossible, modification. Interior window surrounds (the plastic/composite moldings around the windows) are often changed when interiors are modernized, but not the actual aircraft windows.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 13035 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9111 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 1):
It would certainly give the 737 a more spacious feel. Something many people have complained about is that the 737 cabin feels more narrow and more cramped than the A320. So i guess that this could might solve the problem.
Yet nobody has the same complaint about the identical 757 cabin.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 22939 posts, RR: 78 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8996 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21): Yet nobody has the same complaint about the identical 757 cabin.
Actually, I find the 757 to be the worst since it's so darn long.
I have to admit that I find the latest 737NG interiors as nice and "comfy" as the A320 interior. The new thin-shellback seats are very nice and comfortable, even though they are not as wide. But the A320 does outclass the 737 Classics when it comes to interiors across the board.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8984 times:
Newer 767-200s and 767-300s do have the 777-style interior, however, they have the older style windows. The 764ER is the only 767 variant to feature the 777-style windows.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 20): Boeing will introduce new 737 interiors, 787 style next year, with a middle east carrier.
Interesting. I wonder what it will look like.
Really, the current 737NG interior is more of a cross between the 777-style interior and the previous interior found on most 752s and 737 Classics. Note that the interior of the 752/737 Classics actually got updated PSUs in the mid-1990s, which are still used today on the 737NG. The 737NG introduced larger overhead bins and curved ceiling panels. Note that the 737NG interior is also used on the 753.
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JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 4196 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8982 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 22): But the A320 does outclass the 737 Classics when it comes to interiors across the board.
The most comfortable 737 seats I've ever sat my butt in were on Ukrainian International Airlines -500. These are obviously 'previously owned' but they were amazingly comfortable. The rest of the interior was dated, to say the least but those were great seats.
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