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Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?  
User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 646 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

forum folks,

just wondering what the lifespan is of a saab 340? nw/dl only fly saabs into my hometown airport, and as far as i'm aware of, there is no replacement available for these aircraft. many of these aircraft have been flying for nw/mesaba some 10+ years or more. and from what i've heard, they aren't in the greatest shape. anyway, would be interesting to here other's thoughts on the predicted longevity of these planes...thanks.

[Edited 2009-01-21 12:22:06]

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

I don´t think it´s age who´s going to retire them, oldest is 26 years old, youngest 10.
It´s the cycles, 14,5 million cycles for 13 million hours, top hours is 49678 hours all
# of may 2008.


User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2540 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

SAAB still provides parts for the 340 so there really isn't a problem there. I'm pretty sure they still provide engineering support to the customers also. A ten or even twenty year airframe isn't that big of a deal. Now if SAAB was out of business it might be different. Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6528 times:



Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
and from what i've heard, they aren't in the greatest shape.

Just what have you heard? That's insulting to anyone who works on or flies one of those planes. The interiors might not be the newest, or the paint jobs the shiniest (that will change soon), but to imply that there is anything mechanically wrong with the saabs flown into your city.....
 mad   mad   mad   mad   mad   mad   mad 


User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 874 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 6434 times:

Feels like a very solid built airplane. Saab 340 is one of my favorite airplanes, I hope to see them flying here in Alaska for a very long time to come.

Adam


User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6348 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 1):
I don´t think it´s age who´s going to retire them, oldest is 26 years old, youngest 10.
It´s the cycles, 14,5 million cycles for 13 million hours, top hours is 49678 hours all
# of may 2008.

There was a post awhile back that all of Mesaba's 340's are now 340B+'s that were delivered new from 1996-1998. So the oldest Mesaba 340 would be about 13 years old. It was also mentioned that the Mesaba leases run until 2012.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6265 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 1):
top hours is 49678 hours

Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineCactus105 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

My dad used to fly for Mesaba.. when he was there they had some B+ aircraft and also some A models. By the time he left to fly for HP, the A models were gone and all the remainings 340s were B+'s. Now, I don't know what is considered a "worn out" or "old" aircraft, but these airplanes were very nice when i last flew in one just a few years back; i have a feeling they will stay around for a while to come, serving airports too small for regional jet traffic. Look at Northwest's DC-9s for goodness sake! They have been around forever and are still flying, so why stop service with the saab? IMO, the Saab 340's time to go definately has not come yet.

[Edited 2009-01-21 18:10:21]


Wherever you go, there you are.
User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

for the record i've never felt unsafe flying on these aircraft. i was just wondering aloud about their predicted longevity. btw, so many of them have faded out paint, or did last time i flew last spring, that i'm sure the average person would assume they are pretty old just by looking at them.  Smile

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6123 times:



Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 2):
Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.

Biggest reason why Skyway no longer exists as an airline.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Swedish engineering at its best. Smart solutions without a fuss; a minimum of corporate BS in the design or construction. There are advantages to "humble Swedes" working together. Not a lot of c**k-bashing at meetings. Big egos left at the door. At least that's how I imagine the SAAB designers worked. I have no personal experience.

There are 747s that were retired at 100k hours or more. Granted, the number of cycles is far lower, but still.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineChapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5710 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
Swedish engineering at its best. Smart solutions without a fuss; a minimum of corporate BS in the design or construction. There are advantages to "humble Swedes" working together. Not a lot of c**k-bashing at meetings. Big egos left at the door. At least that's how I imagine the SAAB designers worked. I have no personal experience.

Your exactly correct. I spent a lot of time with the boys (and girls) in Sweden, as well as elsewhere in the world. Straightforward engineering. About the absolute best in Tech Support when I worked with them on projects. (and I've worked with nearly all the manufacturers in the western world). The airframes have got a lot more life in them.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5551 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )

OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5549 times:



Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 2):



SAAB still provides parts for the 340 so there really isn't a problem there. I'm pretty sure they still provide engineering support to the customers also. A ten or even twenty year airframe isn't that big of a deal. Now if SAAB was out of business it might be different. Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.

Funny you mention Fairchild, the where involved in the design of this aircraft, in the beginning it was named SAAB-Fairchild 340, but SAAB bought them out.


User currently offlineTbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5492 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 13):
in the beginning it was named SAAB-Fairchild 340, but SAAB bought them out.

...Hence the designator SF34.

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )

OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?

I'd be interssted to know also.

Our oldest in flight hours is serial # 205 which is currently at 49161 (must be the highest B model in the world???)
Our oldest in cycles is 016 which comes in at 55259.

I might also add that they both like the day they were new. Plenty more hours left in these bullet proof machines. They just need a little bit of luvin'


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5416 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?

I could swear I worked an early s/n ( 004-012..somthing like that) that had 50K plus... but if it's been retired, maybe that is when its not shown... I was doing 40K Cycle inspection 10 years ago.. and most Saab's run a 1 to 1.5 ratio



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5411 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 13):
Funny you mention Fairchild, the where involved in the design of this aircraft

They only built the wings....and only on the first 50 or so planes. You can tell a Fairchild wing because it has the bonding plates just outboard of the nacelles on the bottom of the wing.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineTbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5358 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
You can tell a Fairchild wing because it has the bonding plates just outboard of the nacelles on the bottom of the wing.

......and don't try to fit a leading edge to another aircraft or the screw holes won't line up..  duck 


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5318 times:



Quoting Tbanger (Reply 17):
......and don't try to fit a leading edge to another aircraft or the screw holes won't line up..

.....and all along Maintenance Control is screaming in your ear asking what is taking so long..



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

How many Saab 340s airframes have been lost?

User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 19):
How many Saab 340s airframes have been lost?

8 frames have been written off

Frames 5, 147, 183, 195, 213, 315, 337, 353.

in addition to that 11 frames have been scrapped, 117 are Stored and the remaining 323 are in Service.

Quoting Tbanger (Reply 14):
Our oldest in flight hours is serial # 205 which is currently at 49161 (must be the highest B model in the world???)
Our oldest in cycles is 016 which comes in at 55259.

Just out of interest would you have the hours and cycles for frame 293 (ORX)?





Vhq

[Edited 2009-02-02 21:52:59]


"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
User currently offlineTbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5206 times:



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 20):
Just out of interest would you have the hours and cycles for frame 293 (ORX)?

Hrs: 28637
Cyc: 31459

Info current as of close of flying Tuesday 27th January 2009.

Any reason why you ask?


User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5197 times:



Quoting Tbanger (Reply 21):
Hrs: 28637
Cyc: 31459

Info current as of close of flying Tuesday 27th January 2009.

Any reason why you ask?

Thank you

Just wondering because I flew on this particular aircraft a year or so ago mainly just to fly on the type and was just interested in the hours/cycles




Vhq



"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5183 times:



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 20):
8 frames have been written off

Frames 5, 147, 183, 195, 213, 315, 337, 353.

That number is not correct. Sadly there have been a few more.... those that I know of:
040 during a landind accident at IAD
096 during a pgb failure in flight that damaged the wing and nacelle
??? during a landing accident in So. Africa



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5183 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
I could swear I worked an early s/n ( 004-012..somthing like that) that had 50K plus...

s/n 7 and 11 that we operate both have around 40K. Both still going strong..



I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
25 Tbanger : ......ahhhh good old 11. A former one of ours. Glad to hear she's still going strong.
26 Post contains links and images Dufo : Girl11 somewhere between Tunis and Marseille.. She was fine when we got her.. except three nickel sheaths on l/h prop which had to be replaced. What
27 Post contains links Alessandro : Here´s a list of accidents, http://aviation-safety.net/database/type/type.php?type=410
28 WESTERN737800 : I think the Mesaba Saabs will be around for quite some time. I work with a Mesaba ramp agent who nonrevs on them. He says they feel like a very solid
29 Tbanger : Blame the ferry pilot...it was fine when it left us. ...yeah we have a few nickel leading edge problems due to the environment in which we operate th
30 Max Q : Embqa, what is a 'gaulent' ?
31 Tbanger : I think it is Tennessee for Gauntlet
32 EMBQA : Well.... since we are going on several weeks with the current A.net 'errors'.. one being unable to edit.. Once you post you're stuck if you make a mi
33 Max Q : Hey, just pulling your leg, I need a full time editor myself these days !
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