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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14310 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

I have a few questions about integral airstairs?
1. Can the Airbus 320 series be equipped with them? I've never seen one with them, but they would certainly be useful.
2. I seem to remember hearing that some airline (SY?) removed some from 737s. I want to know if a 737 built without them can be retrofitted with an integral airstair.
3. Are any widebodies other than the VC-25s and Il-86s equipped with them on the lower deck? Can they be retrofitted and are any of the VIP 747s going to get them?

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474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
3. Are any widebodies other than the VC-25s and Il-86s equipped with them on the lower deck? Can they be retrofitted and are any of the VIP 747s going to get them?

They were an option on the L-1011.

JER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
1. Can the Airbus 320 series be equipped with them? I've never seen one with them, but they would certainly be useful.

If they were going to be so useful surely they would be a factory option? Airstairs (esp on the 737) are pretty complex when you see them folding in/out. An A320 is a fair bit higher than the 737 so I'm guessing an even more complicated system would be req to get them in?

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
2. I seem to remember hearing that some airline (SY?) removed some from 737s. I want to know if a 737 built without them can be retrofitted with an integral airstair.

In the UK WW has definitely removed them, saving 177kg (http://www.b737.org.uk/history.htm). I'm sure there'll be others. Not sure about retrofitting them; I'm guessing it'd be more money/hassle than its worth for the airline.

Most operators seem to cope fine without them!

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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14310 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

I forgot that the Airbii are higher than the 737. Most airlines dont need them for sure, but I was thinking that they would be useful for many charter airlines that fly to smaller airports or use FBOs on a regular basis, not to mention planes in VIP/corporate shuttle service.

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CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3371 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

I'd say any aircraft probably could get an STC for airstairs if someone was willing to throw enough cash at it...

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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4197 times:

If one is considering load penalties seriously & fuel economy....between 150-200kgs of weight saved is a big deal.
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MEL.

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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21448 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting JER757 (Reply 2):
In the UK WW has definitely removed them, saving 177kg (http://www.b737.org.uk/history.htm). I'm sure there'll be others. Not sure about retrofitting them; I'm guessing it'd be more money/hassle than its worth for the airline.

Most operators seem to cope fine without them!

Ryanair appear to have forward airstairs on their 737-800s, probably because they serve many airports with minimal ground support equipment, or they don't want to pay to use it.

N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

I've done lots of mods removing them, but don't recall ever adding them.

HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Ryanair appear to have forward airstairs on their 737-800s, probably because they serve many airports with minimal ground support equipment, or they don't want to pay to use it.

On B737s,there are two systems of operations,The Auto has a lot of sequencing switches & safety locks,The Standby is with the sequencing switches.These switches can be a problem if one does not work.

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MEL.

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