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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

It is possible in theory to have all checked luggage gate checked instead of checked in at the main check-in desk?

It is possible in theory to have certain pieces of non-gate checked luggage released to a passenger at the gate upon landing?

Is gate checking bags easier or harder for baggage handlers?

Is it possible for people transferring between flights to check in directly at the gate of the second flight?

What is the width of a typical check-in desk?


As some of you know, I believe that connecting between two airlines with no interline agreement can work if attention is paid to making that connection as easy as possible. That means educating the customer on how to make the connection and possibly changing the procedure at the feeding airline to make such a transfer less painful. In theory, allowing customers to pick up luggage at the gate would allow them not to have to get screened again. At busy airports, this could be make or break for many connections and it would decrease the stress of the transfer.

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User currently offlineSR183 From Switzerland, joined Apr 2009, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have all checked luggage gate checked instead of checked in at the main check-in desk?

In theory, yes..but not all practical

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have certain pieces of non-gate checked luggage released to a passenger at the gate upon landing?

In theory, yes..but again not at all practical. Earlier pilots used to carry somewhat dangerous items from passengers like a Swiss-army knife etc. which were be handed over to the passenger personally after arriving at the destination. But there were several complaints about passengers (at least here in Zurich) about items that the passengers neither received personally nor saw them coming with checked-in items...

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is gate checking bags easier or harder for baggage handlers?

Definitely, more tedious as it should be put into the right containers or compartments, which cause delays..

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is it possible for people transferring between flights to check in directly at the gate of the second flight?

Well, bulky items such as strollers can/should be checked-in, if found too large for the aircraft. Because of security reasons this is not done, which answers one of your question as to why bags are not released at the gate for transferring passengers.

May I ask your motivation regarding these questions?  Wink I hope that you have good intentions..



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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting SR183 (Reply 1):
May I ask your motivation regarding these questions? I hope that you have good intentions..

Depends on whether you own an airline.  Wink

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
As some of you know, I believe that connecting between two airlines with no interline agreement can work if attention is paid to making that connection as easy as possible. That means educating the customer on how to make the connection and possibly changing the procedure at the feeding airline to make such a transfer less painful. In theory, allowing customers to pick up luggage at the gate would allow them not to have to get screened again. At busy airports, this could be make or break for many connections and it would decrease the stress of the transfer.



User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have certain pieces of non-gate checked luggage released to a passenger at the gate upon landing?

Nope. The screening process is different. The bags are larger so an injury is possible hand carrying up the stairs. Additionally passengers can place items in checked bags that you are not allowed to have on board. This is the main concern, security. Someone could check a gun, liquids over 3 oz, or have a large knife etc. and then claim it at the gate then retrieve the illicit item proceed to another flight without re-screening and do harm.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is gate checking bags easier or harder for baggage handlers?

From when when I was a ramper at jetBlue. Minimally harder. Usually you get them last minute when the bins are full on board so you are rushing and you have to carry them down the stairs. Not so bad when you only have a handful of items, large numbers of gate check items would really be a pain though.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is it possible for people transferring between flights to check in directly at the gate of the second flight?

Yes, if they only have carryon items and/or checked bags have been interlined.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have all checked luggage gate checked instead of checked in at the main check-in desk?

Absolutely if they meet carryon requirements for size and contents and number of items (1 carryon and one personal item). But that being the case you may as well just bring them on. You cannot take large luggage, over the number limit, with carryon contraban items in it through the security checkpoint.


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3049 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 3):
This is the main concern, security. Someone could check a gun, liquids over 3 oz, or have a large knife etc. and then claim it at the gate then retrieve the illicit item proceed to another flight without re-screening and do harm.

That makes sense.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3040 times:



Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have all checked luggage gate checked instead of checked in at the main check-in desk?

I think the key in your question is "checked luggage" as in bags that you are carrying on but would have checked in normal circumstances (IDK). Yes, however, as IAirAllie said, it would have to be within the carry-on limits. Two bags basically. More often than not, TSA won't let you through with two large bags.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
It is possible in theory to have certain pieces of non-gate checked luggage released to a passenger at the gate upon landing?

Nope. Won't happen, as stated above.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is gate checking bags easier or harder for baggage handlers?

I was below wing myself. I didn't have to actually handle the paper work. That was the gate but it was just a pain in general to add the bags to the load slip, etc. but not that much extra work.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
Is it possible for people transferring between flights to check in directly at the gate of the second flight?

That's the norm, unless you are not on an interline which seems to be where you're getting at because of below. If you're not, you will have to go to baggage claim, pick up your bags and check back in with your other airline.

Quoting JA (Thread starter):
As some of you know, I believe that connecting between two airlines with no interline agreement can work if attention is paid to making that connection as easy as possible. That means educating the customer on how to make the connection and possibly changing the procedure at the feeding airline to make such a transfer less painful. In theory, allowing customers to pick up luggage at the gate would allow them not to have to get screened again. At busy airports, this could be make or break for many connections and it would decrease the stress of the transfer.

Again, won't happen. You will never have your checked bag released to you at the gate. There may be items in the bag that are dangerous that is not allowed in the sterile area. Also, the airline looses chain of custody once they give you the bag at the gate. They will have to come up with some process that will prove that the bag was given to you at the gate. Again, a little irrelevant because it won't happen. As far as online bags with no interline agreement, that's exactly what it is. The airline isn't responsible for the bag once it's at their (not your terminating point) final destination. They are to get it to baggage claim. The second issue is that there is no way for them to know that you have a continuing flight on another carrier. All they see on your ticket is that you are terminating in ATL. They don't know that you have a continuing flight on Air Tran to Orlando. The systems don't talk so there's no way to make anything less painful. More so than not, they won't try to either. If htere is no agreement, there's a reason. DL cut their only tie with AirTran back in 2006 when they stopped taking their passengers. If AirTran wants to get a passenger on their flight, they will have to buy a full Y ticket.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22678 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3038 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
You will never have your checked bag released to you at the gate. There may be items in the bag that are dangerous that is not allowed in the sterile area. Also, the airline looses chain of custody once they give you the bag at the gate.

There's no technical reason that TSA couldn't screen checked bags to sterile area standards. CTX machines should be able to pick up anything that's prohibited in the sterile area, and TSA has (and exercises) the authority to hand-search checked bags. That said, it would not be practical, because as a practical matter you'd likely need two "streams" of checked bags (sterile and non-sterile), but it's certainly not impossible.



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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
The second issue is that there is no way for them to know that you have a continuing flight on another carrier. All they see on your ticket is that you are terminating in ATL. They don't know that you have a continuing flight on Air Tran to Orlando. The systems don't talk so there's no way to make anything less painful.

It doesn't matter if the airline systems don't know about the connection. The point was to keep the two systems separate. The airlines that would best support non-interline transfers are those with no interline agreements. WN has a lot of low fares just two weeks out now. This was rarely the case in the past.

In theory, the dual stream system already exists. Many people are packing extra carry-on bags in order to get them on for free. It is generally not working, except that it is self-sterilizing their luggage AND making them a little lighter. It does open up the feasibility of a discounted checked bag rate if the bag is 30lbs or less.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22678 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting JA (Reply 7):
In theory, the dual stream system already exists.

It does, and I do think there are some changes that could make it even easier for passengers. Say I want to fly from JAX to MFR. That's going to require two connections. If I fly JAX-ATL-SFO on FL and then SFO-MFR on OO, it would be great if I could gate check my bag to SFO in JAX and then carry it to my OO flight and gate check it with OO. The ability to do that wouldn't require too much change from the status quo, though it would increase ramper workload some (probably not a lot, as the number of people who do this would likely be fairly low).



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2959 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):

As you said, they could, but I don't see why they would. You can either put your gun in your checked bag or not. Like you said, it would require two screening systems and bags would have to be separated throughout the process to keep the possibility of mixing down to zero. I guess there would have to be a special tag for such bags but then you will have to take the human factor into account.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22678 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
Like you said, it would require two screening systems and bags would have to be separated throughout the process to keep the possibility of mixing down to zero.

I don't think there's any requirement that mixing not occur; certainly, gate checked bags and normal checked bags mix now.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):

I meant before it got on the plane(doesn't really matter I guess) So that you don't accidentally send a bag that was 'non-sterile" screened back up. There would have to be a clear distinction between the two. It's also my understanding that you don't get you bag back anyway when you do a gate check so still the same thing in TSA's eyes. Just sounds like a recipe for someone who really wants to circumvent the system to try. As it stands, there are loop holes that I feel need to be fixed that that's been addressed between the bag room managers and Big D/TSA but that's a different story.



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2910 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
I don't think there's any requirement that mixing not occur; certainly, gate checked bags and normal checked bags mix now.

Not on the sterile side of operations. As I said before checked bags can have items in them that are not permitted in the cabin. Which is why you cannot pick up a checked bag at the gate. They can only be claimed outside of security.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22678 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2907 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 12):
Not on the sterile side of operations.

Did I ever claim that they did? Checked bags, gate checked bags, and valet checked bags can be (and are) thrown in the same bins. That's all I said.



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