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User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

I came across this photo:


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And here's my question:
Is this really the primary simulator training that a Eurofighter pilot goes through, or is this basically just a fancy computer-based systems training simulation that they do on their way to the real simulator (Level D, full motion, full cockpit mock-up style)? I guess it would just surprise me if this is the fanciest that they have, but I had to ask since there are alot of 2-seater Eurofighters that are intended for training, and a pilot could easily be placed in the seat of one of those and be put to training, with better effects than a simulator. So, whatever the teaching method, I won't argue... I guess I'm wondering partly because airliners.net usually only takes photos of advanced simulators, but this one seems to pretty primitive.

Could anybody tell me what the EF2000 training program would be for any of the operators, and where this type of simulator would lie? Does the Italian program differ from, say the British or German training program?

[Edited 2009-04-13 03:57:00]

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User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Mods, I guess this thread might be better for the military forum, so please move if needed.

User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

It appears to be a very basic systems trainer. Certainly not a full mission simulator. Apart from the panel being made up of LCD screens, the visual is a simple projected display. The EF2000 simulators are produced as part of the whole EF2000 programme, so each nation uses the same types of training devices.

Military fighter simulators are configured differently to civil airliner simulators, mainly because of the use of dome visual displays. Motion platforms might not be used, for example, except where essential (e.g. for helicopters and V/STOL aircraft). The dome visual provides strong motion perception cues and sustained g cues can be introduced through modified seats and the pilot's g-suit.



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User currently offlineAutothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3299 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Thread starter):
is this basically just a fancy computer-based systems training simulation that they do on their way to the real simulator

Yes, exactly its not the real simulator.

This one is the real Eurofighter Typhoon Simulator:






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User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Thanks for the replies.
Very interesting. Certain smaller airlines that don't a full motion simulator are required to provide additional training for pilots in the actual aircraft. This might even be more effective than simulator training because pilots will have flown the aircraft before being turned loose on their own, even it's more expensive to operate the aircraft than the full-motion simulator. The EF2000 training seems much more feasible than pure simulator training for pilots without experience with an instructor in a 2-seater before flying the single seater.

That is pretty cool about the modified seats and g-suits too.

But, judging from what I've seen, the training program seems very similar to an airline training program, with a Systems Integration/Procedures trainer (from the pic in my original post), a flight simulator (like Autothrust's pics), and finally the actual aircraft with an instructor on board. Although, I guess most airlines are able to skip the actual aircraft part because they have full motion simulators...a new FO's first flight will be on IOE with passengers on board, but an instructor/LCA in the left seat.



btw, Autothrust, thanks for the pics. The Typhoon looks like it would be exhilarating to fly!


User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3154 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 4):
Autothrust, thanks for the pics. The Typhoon looks like it would be exhilarating to fly!

Your welcome, indeed many pilots won't change the place to a other fighter.

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General John P. Jumper, said after flying the Eurofighter that he was impressed with it. Right after his flight on the Eurofighter , Jumper said, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter." In particular, Jumper praised the Eurofighter's agility, manoeuvrability, acceleration and precise navigation.

And recently the General praised the Eurofighter once again,: "The Eurofighter is very impressive." He reserved special praise for the performance of the aircraft in aerial combat. According to the General, the European jet is easy to fly, even under heavy loadings- "It was developed for that.




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