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User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12908 times:

On behalf of someone i know i am asking if there are any A320 Pilots out there that know what the range of the Cost Index is for the A320 family?

Is it say 0-100 or 0-999? Or is it a Airline preferance?

I have tried searching for a topic like this but i can only find cost index topics related to jetblue and different aircraft

thanks

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User currently offlineVMCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12895 times:



Quoting 767nutter (Thread starter):
Is it say 0-100 or 0-999?

Cost index values range from 0-100.

Quoting 767nutter (Thread starter):
Or is it a Airline preferance?

Default value is 35, IIRC. Airline preference as to what is used.


User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12836 times:



Quoting 767nutter (Thread starter):

Is it say 0-100 or 0-999? Or is it a Airline preferance?

It will change weekly at a lot of airlines depending what they are paying for fuel.

Right now were showing the following based on $2.19 per gallon.
A319 . . . . . .11 (OPTIMUM) . . . . . .47 (MAX)
A320 . . . . . .12 (OPTIMUM) . . . . . .49 (MAX)


User currently offlineVMCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Please be careful with respect to what DescendVia is posting. The cost index he is referring to is only for the airline he is associated with. The cost components will vary from one airline to the next.

This is the formula for the Airbus CI
C = CF x �F + CT x �T + Cc
with CF = cost of fuel per kg
CT = time-related cost per minute of flight
Cc = fixed costs independent of time
�F = trip fuel
�T = trip time

Time related costs are variable from airline to airline and that's the trade-off with the CI. You can minimize the fuel burn or the time it's a trade off. So, it's more than just the price of fuel.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8992 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12767 times:



Quoting 767nutter (Thread starter):
Is it say 0-100 or 0-999? Or is it a Airline preferance?

It depends on the MCDU/FMGC manufacturer, and the selection of that depends on what the airline orders.

Airbus has a simple graph that converts the airline calculated cost index to the equivalent FMGC cost index.



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User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12520 times:

Im just wondering what is available accross the whole network of FMGC's, some people are saying it is 0-999, others like VMCA are saying it is 0-100, yet someone mentioned it depends on which company provides the FMGC's, is this correct?

I know ( well partially ) what cost index does i just need to know the range of it is on the A320 family

Regards


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12483 times:

Per Airbus document I'm reading it states:

Quote:
Scaled 0 to 99 or 999 depending on FMS vendor




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User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12378 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):

Someone said it is 0-999 for the Smiths-Thales computers and 0-99 for the Honeywell Pegasus, and was told most airliners nowadays has the Smiths-Thales, it was only the earlier A320s that had Honeywell Pegasus, This correct?

DecendVia what airline are you referring too?

VMCA what symbol are you using? eg �F = trip fuel

[Edited 2009-07-03 08:35:56]

User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12368 times:

Quoting 767nutter (Reply 7):

DecendVia what airline are you reffering too?

A big Airbus operator.

[Edited 2009-07-03 08:54:33]

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8992 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12346 times:



Quoting 767nutter (Reply 7):

Most (75+% in my view) would be Honeywell, Smiths in my view are just to sloooooow, but still like a Pentium 4 compared to a 744 8088 FMC.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12342 times:

DecendVia operator currently has Honeywell FMS1's on its A320 series but will be moving to Thales FMS2.


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User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12321 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):

Still won't change those values...... they will always be proportional to the computed values, what we pay for gas, and the FOM. Plus where did you hear about the switch?

I should better "explain" what MAX means for my vaules. Its not the MAX value able to be line selected, rather its the MAX value that should be used in flight in accordance to the FOM speed policy. The values I listed are the computed allowable limits for said week.

Interesting thing is, a new Cost Index procedure was just put into effect this week at our airline letting us know what the maximum time critical value allowed is (after approval) and that is 140 for the A319 and A320 so that might help out your question since I think the current model we have is something with Sexton in its name. Also if you care, the maximum value that can be LSed for the non-pip, pip, AFMC, and Pegasus is 9999. I'm not sure if the Airbus Pegasus is the same, since I don't know that much about the Airbus, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

[Edited 2009-07-03 13:51:31]

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