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Conversion Of Part 135 Certificate To Part 121  
User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 564 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

What would be involved in converting a Full or Basic Part 135 certificate over to a Part 121 Domestic Flag Carrier? Is it usually worth doing or is it like a new certification?

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6469 times:



Quoting JA (Thread starter):

It's not hard at all. You just get your part 121 operations certified by the FAA, then on a given date start operation under that certificate.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

You don't convert the certificate.

You apply for the new one. I can think of one Alaska carriers that flies their 1900's under 121 but has a bush 135 operation which includeds 1 cargo 1900.

As mentioned as long as you meet the requirements you are golden. But that isn't to say that it isn't a big deal. And there isn't wrenches they can't throw at you.

For example that carrier I spoke about had a hard time selling the FAA on the idea of having the 1900 checkride cover both operations under 121 and 135.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

You don't convert the certificate.

You apply for the new one. I can think of one Alaska carriers that flies their 1900's under 121 but has a bush 135 operation which includeds 1 cargo 1900.

As mentioned as long as you meet the requirements you are golden. But that isn't to say that it isn't a big deal. And there isn't wrenches they can't throw at you.

For example that carrier I spoke about had a hard time selling the FAA on the idea of having the 1900 checkride cover both operations under 121 and 135.



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

It IS a big deal. I was involved with a 121 startup a few years back, and its a big deal.

If you really wanna know what it entails, check out

http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=EBookContents



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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1597 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

I've heard it's one of the hardest things to do is start an airline, either 135 or 121, from "scratch". It's a lot easier to just buy an existing certificate of an airline that has stopped flying. Even then it is a real pain. I wish I would have paid more attention when my company bought and restarted a 121 certificate.


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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 564 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

I was looking at the Part 121 requirements from scratch and it is pretty substantial. I have looked at the upgrade requirements for when carriers like Great Lakes had to change over and it looked much better. There are several certificates on the market now (121 & 135) and the price points are very different. This is why I'm trying to figure out what is more cost effective.

User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Well, if you are really serious about this, I would suggest getting an appt with your local FSDO, for they would be the ones that would have to sign off on any certificate.

There are consultants who work airline certifications - under no circumstances should you consider doing this on your own. Like I said, I have been involved in a 121 startup of a regional airline - it is VERY involved.



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