Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Cabin Service Elevators  
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3495 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

I would like to learn more about the elevators that were used by F/As to move meals and carts between the upper and lower levels of some aircraft. Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

Thanks


Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
24 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5546 times:



Quoting JAGflyer (Thread starter):
Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

Here are a couple of pictures of the L-1011 lifts:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jeff Bigelow


Cabin

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © AirNikon Collection-Pima Air and Space Museum


Galley


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3495 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

I am familiar with the elevator control surface. I was refering to the "galley lift" as you said.


Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

DC-10 would be the only other I can think of........


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.

User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5486 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 4):
I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.

LH has lower galleys on their A340-600s.

Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?



My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5409 times:



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

Yes, AA, UA and QF.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 5171 times:



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.


User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5122 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:
http://www.english-dictionary.us/meaning/elevator.asp¨

I immediately understood the subject title, even if the OP didn't use the most common name for these devices.



An open mind is not an empty one
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.

747-200 G-VPUF, VIBE, VSSS, VZZZ, VBEE, VRUM and VCAT from lower to upper deck

All 744

Oh and A380s have them too.


User currently offlineB747FE From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2004, 230 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

We used to have them as well in two of our 747SR.

Regards,

B747FE.



"Flying is more than a sport and more than a job; flying is pure passion and desire, which fill a lifetime"
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4944 times:



Quoting XaraB (Reply 8):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:

Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4921 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 9):
At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.


G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4800 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.

Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

Tod


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4766 times:



Quoting Tod (Reply 13):
Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

It doesn't matter what is correct, there are people that call the "vertical stabilizer" the 'fin'.


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4754 times:



Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 12):
G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.

er............thank you?


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4715 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 15):
er............thank you?

Just clarifying the 747's built with lower galleys. Some people around here actually think that a 741 was built for VS.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4913 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

I remember flying on an AA B747 from ORD-PHX in the early 1970s. That aircraft was equipped with a lower deck galley with galley lifts. I recall thinking to myself that it was a triple deck aircraft!

At AC, we were not allowed to refer to the galley lifts on the L1011 as "elevators", as it caused too much confusion when writing snags for maintenance.

One L1011 was removed for extensive flight control maintenance when a Second Officer wrote in the maintenance log that "The left elevator intermittently sticks in the full UP position". he was, of course referring to the left galley lift.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19381 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4581 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers



Quoting Tod (Reply 7):

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.

So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft). However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10. What about on the A340? Some of them have lower-level galleys. How do they move the food up and down? Surely not by a ladder...


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4913 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4568 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4394 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10.

The 747 Classic and DC-10 had similar setups, One Man-Sized Lift and One Cart Lift beside each other for each lower galley (AA and UA had forward and aft galleys).



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft).

So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 19):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.

All UA (and AA) DC-10-10s had lower-deck galleys. I don't think very many DC-10-10s were built with main deck galleys.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4219 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 21):
So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?

Here's how.....




Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

For some reason the image didn't appear above, but this is what I meant to show....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Airbus-A340-642/0686097/L/



Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Cabin Service Elevators
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
Airline Crew/Cabin Service Training? posted Tue Jan 8 2008 13:34:08 by Davescj
Airbus A320 Series Service Ceiling posted Wed Jul 15 2009 09:00:01 by Tancrede
A Cabin Refit Question posted Fri Jun 19 2009 06:28:16 by Readytotaxi
Lighter, Arched Cabin Floors? posted Fri Jun 5 2009 01:32:50 by Faro
Fog Inside The Cabin - C-5 Galaxy posted Thu May 28 2009 01:36:52 by Rolypolyman
What Is A Package Service Visit posted Wed May 13 2009 10:58:45 by SXDFC
A320 Family Service Ceiling posted Mon Apr 13 2009 11:27:10 by A342
Fleet/Service/Route Planning Sheets posted Fri Mar 13 2009 14:02:48 by LanPeru
737 Cabin Crew Manual? posted Tue Mar 3 2009 12:07:19 by Dogfighter2111
Cabin Air, From Which Direction? posted Sun Feb 15 2009 12:29:28 by Readytotaxi

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format