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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

I would like to learn more about the elevators that were used by F/As to move meals and carts between the upper and lower levels of some aircraft. Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6015 times:



Quoting JAGflyer (Thread starter):
Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

Here are a couple of pictures of the L-1011 lifts:

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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I am familiar with the elevator control surface. I was refering to the "galley lift" as you said.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

DC-10 would be the only other I can think of........


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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.

User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5955 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 4):
I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.

LH has lower galleys on their A340-600s.

Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5878 times:



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

Yes, AA, UA and QF.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5640 times:



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.


User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5591 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:
http://www.english-dictionary.us/meaning/elevator.asp¨

I immediately understood the subject title, even if the OP didn't use the most common name for these devices.



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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.

747-200 G-VPUF, VIBE, VSSS, VZZZ, VBEE, VRUM and VCAT from lower to upper deck

All 744

Oh and A380s have them too.


User currently offlineB747FE From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2004, 230 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

We used to have them as well in two of our 747SR.

Regards,

B747FE.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5413 times:



Quoting XaraB (Reply 8):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:

Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5390 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 9):
At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.


G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5269 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.

Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

Tod


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5235 times:



Quoting Tod (Reply 13):
Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

It doesn't matter what is correct, there are people that call the "vertical stabilizer" the 'fin'.


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5223 times:



Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 12):
G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.

er............thank you?


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5184 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 15):
er............thank you?

Just clarifying the 747's built with lower galleys. Some people around here actually think that a 741 was built for VS.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

I remember flying on an AA B747 from ORD-PHX in the early 1970s. That aircraft was equipped with a lower deck galley with galley lifts. I recall thinking to myself that it was a triple deck aircraft!

At AC, we were not allowed to refer to the galley lifts on the L1011 as "elevators", as it caused too much confusion when writing snags for maintenance.

One L1011 was removed for extensive flight control maintenance when a Second Officer wrote in the maintenance log that "The left elevator intermittently sticks in the full UP position". he was, of course referring to the left galley lift.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20342 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5050 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers



Quoting Tod (Reply 7):

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.

So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft). However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10. What about on the A340? Some of them have lower-level galleys. How do they move the food up and down? Surely not by a ladder...


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5037 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4863 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10.

The 747 Classic and DC-10 had similar setups, One Man-Sized Lift and One Cart Lift beside each other for each lower galley (AA and UA had forward and aft galleys).



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4179 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4841 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft).

So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4776 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 19):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.

All UA (and AA) DC-10-10s had lower-deck galleys. I don't think very many DC-10-10s were built with main deck galleys.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4688 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 21):
So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?

Here's how.....




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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

For some reason the image didn't appear above, but this is what I meant to show....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Airbus-A340-642/0686097/L/



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