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A Day In The Life Of A Pilot  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19568 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Pilots, a question:

So you're supposed to be flying a 767 somewhere from your base, and on take-off you suffer an engine-out without any serious complications. You do everything right and perform a picture-perfect landing and 235 grateful and uninjured people walk off your aircraft.

What's the rest of your day like now? Do you spend the rest of the day filling out forms while they send a replacement out to fly your next leg? Or do you have a friendly chat with someone and non-rev out? Or do you get sent home to recover from your "traumatic experience?"

What's the procedure when something goes wrong around you?

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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

Don't fly a 767...however, I do fly an L1011 with 339 seats, and if an engine fails just after takeoff, we would jettison fuel, and return for landing.
Then, pax would be offloaded, and I would two-engine ferry the airplane to the maintenance base (usually) to have the engine changed/repaired.


User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7811 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 1):
I do fly an L1011

WOW! Who do you fly L1011's for!? That's awesome.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

For us, it is fill out the necessary forms, talk to various departments at the company, and go pee in a cup. If the problem is reparable and we can leave with our duty limits, we try again. If not, it is off to the hotel and either another crew will try or we will get the plane back after our rest period. If it is a serious problem or we are in a remote location and parts will be a long time coming, we may attempt a 3 engine ferry flight to the nearest maintenance facility or we may wait for an engine and an engine team to be brought to the plane, depending on the circumstances and costs involved. This may mean a few days in some place you didn't intend to be.


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7712 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 1):
I do fly an L1011 with 339 seats

Hey, where can I book a flight? Big grin


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

Shut it down, go back and land. Write it up, swap airplanes, hope this one works out a little better.... No peeing in a cup here.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

I know a few flying crew that would assist us Mx folks in the rectification work too  Smile
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

well if im flying an A330 for that day, i would land, if im flying an A340 i may not land, i may continue to my destination after a quick in flight check of my fuel of board at my new altitude and cruise speed after my drift down  Smile


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

At our airline, if you have one of about two dozen emergencies, of which an engine failure is one, you are taken off the line with full pay for two weeks. This is for a number of reasons, the most important being that you are likely the worse judge of your own stress level. And it is best to cool down at home before jumping on the horse again.

Years ago, I recall having an engine failure on take off out of YUL bound for YYZ in a B737-200. We returned to YUL with no troubles and after procedures were followed we returned to the gate. As YUL is a maintenance base another ship was found and I discussed with my crew whether we should fly it to YYZ. There were 100+ passengers that were now looking for a way to YYZ too.

We all decided we were fine to fly to YYZ ... so on we went.

I can't begin to tell you the trouble I got into for that!!! And ... the chief pilot was not amused when I stated my stress level was far higher in his office then I have ever encountered in an airplane both engines running or not! Sometimes rules are rules.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

If I were a pilot, I'd be willing to talk to the media and answer their questions.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19568 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7163 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8):
At our airline, if you have one of about two dozen emergencies, of which an engine failure is one, you are taken off the line with full pay for two weeks. This is for a number of reasons, the most important being that you are likely the worse judge of your own stress level.

So I like this policy. I wish it had a place in healthcare (except that would mean that patients would have to view doctors as the public views airline pilots, as faceless professionals in uniforms who know what they're doing). It would be nice to get sent home after someone has a heart attack.

I think that having a while to relfect on an emergency is a good thing.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7157 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
If I were a pilot, I'd be willing to talk to the media and answer their questions.

Not if you wanted to stay employed. Most airlines have strict policies about who talks to the media and who doesn't. Anyone who does is going to stay within some pretty strict guidelines.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
I think that having a while to relfect on an emergency is a good thing.

I agree. It would be great to see this on a company policy level. Maybe not the full two weeks, but it would be nice to have at least a day or two so to decompress after a stressful incident. However you would not dare call in to the company with this sort of request because of the implications for your medical re your mental fitness and stability.



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User currently offlineJawed From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

what? every day?

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 3):
For us, it is fill out the necessary forms, talk to various departments at the company, and go pee in a cup.



User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7025 times:



Quoting Jawed (Reply 12):
what? every day?

Every time you declare an emergency, plus certain other events. Sometimes it feels like every day.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6899 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
So I like this policy. I wish it had a place in healthcare

My partner is a physician and he says this all the time.

He would love to have "aviation rules" in healthcare! The biggest ones of course, being minimum crew rest and maximum duty days. He shakes his head when I come in late from a trip, now illegal for my next trip and I am removed ... full pay.

I am sure everyone is aware the horror stories about overworked Physicians, RNs, RPNs, PSWs, etc, are not just urban legend.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6743 times:



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 4):
Hey, where can I book a flight?

If you reside in Russia, ad-hoc and track program flights will be scheduled Moscow to various Caribbean destinations, starting Feb 2010.
If you reside in KUL, you can book now, non-stop to JED, starting Aug 15.
Ii you reside in the Caribbean area, you can book now through various travel agencies to attend the world cup later on in 2010.

Rollins Air, a new L1011 operator, based Honduras.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6726 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 9):

If I were a pilot, I'd be willing to talk to the media and answer their questions.

Most company SOPS do not permit Employees talking to the media on official topics.There is a spokesperson of the Airline appointed to convey the official line.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6510 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 15):

That sounds funny! Any chance for a jump seat ride?  Smile

Which bird do you use?


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6484 times:



Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
If I were a pilot, I'd be willing to talk to the media and answer their questions.

Not if you wanted to be an employed pilot. It is very inappropriate to talk to the media about an incident under investigation. It is also against corporate policies at pretty much every airline.


User currently offlinePJFlysFast From United States of America, joined May 2006, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Private Pilots who fly the same jet all the time like a challenger or Global and are the only pilots, deal with a lot of stress as well. They do not get to go home and think about it for two weeks, they have to do a lot of work with less resources in my opinion but that is like I said before because they are the only pilots so it is all relative. I just think that they need to be thought of as well not just airlines

User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

My roommate flies 747 classics for a cargo outfit. He's a First Officer. Sometime last year it was his leg on the outbound trip from South Korea. He lost engine #2 about 15 minutes into the climbout. They dumped copious amounts of fuel and he returned to that airport for his first ever 3 engine landing, which was one of his best he says. Mechanics fix the fuel line that had broke (iirc) and a some hours later they give it a 2nd try... still his leg to fly. Well deja vu #2 goes again at about the same stage of the flight. They again dump fuel and return but this time the Captain insists politely on taking the landing, which he did. At that point I think they were done for the day and I'm not sure if they picked up another bird or waited for an engine swap. The details are a little fuzzy but that's the jist of it.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6332 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 20):

Just curious....A return back on a scheduled flight is considered an Incident out here,requiring necessary Regulatory Authority clearence post rectification,Since the snag reoccured,what transpires from a Regulatory point of view.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6278 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
Just curious....A return back on a scheduled flight is considered an Incident out here,requiring necessary Regulatory Authority clearence post rectification,Since the snag reoccured,what transpires from a Regulatory point of view.

I will ask him and post his reply.  Smile



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