DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6972 times:
Pilots, a question:
So you're supposed to be flying a 767 somewhere from your base, and on take-off you suffer an engine-out without any serious complications. You do everything right and perform a picture-perfect landing and 235 grateful and uninjured people walk off your aircraft.
What's the rest of your day like now? Do you spend the rest of the day filling out forms while they send a replacement out to fly your next leg? Or do you have a friendly chat with someone and non-rev out? Or do you get sent home to recover from your "traumatic experience?"
What's the procedure when something goes wrong around you?
411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6952 times:
Don't fly a 767...however, I do fly an L1011 with 339 seats, and if an engine fails just after takeoff, we would jettison fuel, and return for landing.
Then, pax would be offloaded, and I would two-engine ferry the airplane to the maintenance base (usually) to have the engine changed/repaired.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6912 times:
For us, it is fill out the necessary forms, talk to various departments at the company, and go pee in a cup. If the problem is reparable and we can leave with our duty limits, we try again. If not, it is off to the hotel and either another crew will try or we will get the plane back after our rest period. If it is a serious problem or we are in a remote location and parts will be a long time coming, we may attempt a 3 engine ferry flight to the nearest maintenance facility or we may wait for an engine and an engine team to be brought to the plane, depending on the circumstances and costs involved. This may mean a few days in some place you didn't intend to be.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6433 times:
well if im flying an A330 for that day, i would land, if im flying an A340 i may not land, i may continue to my destination after a quick in flight check of my fuel of board at my new altitude and cruise speed after my drift down
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
LongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4280 posts, RR: 36 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6395 times:
At our airline, if you have one of about two dozen emergencies, of which an engine failure is one, you are taken off the line with full pay for two weeks. This is for a number of reasons, the most important being that you are likely the worse judge of your own stress level. And it is best to cool down at home before jumping on the horse again.
Years ago, I recall having an engine failure on take off out of YUL bound for YYZ in a B737-200. We returned to YUL with no troubles and after procedures were followed we returned to the gate. As YUL is a maintenance base another ship was found and I discussed with my crew whether we should fly it to YYZ. There were 100+ passengers that were now looking for a way to YYZ too.
We all decided we were fine to fly to YYZ ... so on we went.
I can't begin to tell you the trouble I got into for that!!! And ... the chief pilot was not amused when I stated my stress level was far higher in his office then I have ever encountered in an airplane both engines running or not! Sometimes rules are rules.
Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6275 times:
Quoting LongHauler (Reply 8): At our airline, if you have one of about two dozen emergencies, of which an engine failure is one, you are taken off the line with full pay for two weeks. This is for a number of reasons, the most important being that you are likely the worse judge of your own stress level.
So I like this policy. I wish it had a place in healthcare (except that would mean that patients would have to view doctors as the public views airline pilots, as faceless professionals in uniforms who know what they're doing). It would be nice to get sent home after someone has a heart attack.
I think that having a while to relfect on an emergency is a good thing.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 9): If I were a pilot, I'd be willing to talk to the media and answer their questions.
Not if you wanted to stay employed. Most airlines have strict policies about who talks to the media and who doesn't. Anyone who does is going to stay within some pretty strict guidelines.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): I think that having a while to relfect on an emergency is a good thing.
I agree. It would be great to see this on a company policy level. Maybe not the full two weeks, but it would be nice to have at least a day or two so to decompress after a stressful incident. However you would not dare call in to the company with this sort of request because of the implications for your medical re your mental fitness and stability.
My partner is a physician and he says this all the time.
He would love to have "aviation rules" in healthcare! The biggest ones of course, being minimum crew rest and maximum duty days. He shakes his head when I come in late from a trip, now illegal for my next trip and I am removed ... full pay.
I am sure everyone is aware the horror stories about overworked Physicians, RNs, RPNs, PSWs, etc, are not just urban legend.
Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
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PJFlysFast From United States of America, joined May 2006, 463 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
Private Pilots who fly the same jet all the time like a challenger or Global and are the only pilots, deal with a lot of stress as well. They do not get to go home and think about it for two weeks, they have to do a lot of work with less resources in my opinion but that is like I said before because they are the only pilots so it is all relative. I just think that they need to be thought of as well not just airlines
HaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2069 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5514 times:
My roommate flies 747 classics for a cargo outfit. He's a First Officer. Sometime last year it was his leg on the outbound trip from South Korea. He lost engine #2 about 15 minutes into the climbout. They dumped copious amounts of fuel and he returned to that airport for his first ever 3 engine landing, which was one of his best he says. Mechanics fix the fuel line that had broke (iirc) and a some hours later they give it a 2nd try... still his leg to fly. Well deja vu #2 goes again at about the same stage of the flight. They again dump fuel and return but this time the Captain insists politely on taking the landing, which he did. At that point I think they were done for the day and I'm not sure if they picked up another bird or waited for an engine swap. The details are a little fuzzy but that's the jist of it.
Just curious....A return back on a scheduled flight is considered an Incident out here,requiring necessary Regulatory Authority clearence post rectification,Since the snag reoccured,what transpires from a Regulatory point of view.
HaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2069 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5390 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21): Just curious....A return back on a scheduled flight is considered an Incident out here,requiring necessary Regulatory Authority clearence post rectification,Since the snag reoccured,what transpires from a Regulatory point of view.