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Clipper Golden Eagle: Engine No 1 Instruments  
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Hi all,

Dan Vincent and I recently visited the New England Air Museum in CT. They have the preserved cockpit (just the cockpit!) of Pan Am's N714PA (Clipper Golden Eagle).


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Note that the instruments for engine number 1 are different to the rest (and there's a clear separator between them and the rest). Does anyone know why? Was it maybe used an an engine test bed? Just curious...

Thanks!

Tony


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3304 times:



Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
Dan Vincent and I recently visited the New England Air Museum in CT. They have the preserved cockpit (just the cockpit!) of Pan Am's N714PA (Clipper Golden Eagle).

I think it's absolutely hilarious that, other than having 4 thrust levers instead of two, the control stand is an absolute dead wringer for the 737, right down to the parking brake handle.

Tom.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3297 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 1):
I think it's absolutely hilarious that, other than having 4 thrust levers instead of two, the control stand is an absolute dead wringer for the 737, right down to the parking brake handle.

If it's not broken, don't break it!  Wink

Tony



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User currently offlineCheetahC From South Africa, joined Apr 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

This was the first 707-320, so it might well be due to flight testing. But then why was the aircraft not returned to production specification?

User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
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That's somewhat weird. I can't find any mention of use as a test aircraft after Aeroamerica stopped using it. Just a couple of leases to PIA and some charter stuff. And then it was scrapped. Most likely some of the instruments got removed as salvageable parts, and they just stuck something that fit into the cutouts at the museum.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Was it #1 that didn't have the turbocompressor? IIRC, on 707's, only three of the engines had a turbocompressor (for cabin pressurization...). Still, I don't think that would explain the different instruments on #1.


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User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

From what I can tell, this is definitely an early build 707 (1 piece Capt.&F/O instrument panels - Not 3 Piece) and the rectangular autopilot surface position indicator and RMI/Compass switching panel are a dead PAA giveaway.

Compare with other -321's:



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3071 times:



Quoting Rwessel (Reply 4):
I can't find any mention of use as a test aircraft after Aeroamerica stopped using it. Just a couple of leases to PIA and some charter stuff. And then it was scrapped.

Yep, here's the history of the plane:

http://www.hacoma.de/panam/e_fleet_d...-300&sort1=1&r1=N714PA&r=210&res=0

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 4):
Most likely some of the instruments got removed as salvageable parts, and they just stuck something that fit into the cutouts at the museum.

I thought that too. But if you look closely, there's a clear separator between the engine 1 instruments and the rest. Maybe I'm reading too much into this!!!

Anyway, thanks for the replies, guys.

Tony



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User currently offlineCheetahC From South Africa, joined Apr 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3045 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
Was it #1 that didn't have the turbocompressor? IIRC, on 707's, only three of the engines had a turbocompressor (for cabin pressurization...). Still, I don't think that would explain the different instruments on #1.

It seems to have had one fitted, see this pic, you might have to zoom in on the number 1 engine.


User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Here is a pic of N714PA in Her demonstrator days:



User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

The aircraft was used for a short time (leased) by Pratt&Whitney for test flying new engine types...note the additional engine instruments in the rectangular box nearby.

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