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How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?  
User currently offlineAn225 From Israel, joined May 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Dear all,

I wondered how far would an airline is willing to send their 737's for maintenance?
Is it common for a European company to send their 737's for a C/D checks in China or Thailand?


Thanks!

An225

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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Well, not a B733, but when I was at a major US carrier, we would take an aircraft (B767) offline at ANC, then ferry the aircraft to HKG for a major maintenance visit.


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User currently offlineAn225 From Israel, joined May 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Thanks Dispatchguy!

When it is a long-range aircraft, it is very common indeed. I know that Lufthansa is sending their A346 and 744 to Asia for overhauls, KLM is sending their MD11 to Asia as well, and so does A6 with their big Airbus.
But when it come to a 737 (or an A320), I wonder if an airline is willing to send medium range machines to MRO sites in distant places. I know that when it comes to a conversion from PAX to Cargo config there is at least one example. IAI is one of only three MRO facilities who has this certificate to convert 737 Classics from pax to cargo config - the others are Boeing ans ST Aerospace from Taiwan. So in such case airlines do send their machines no matter how far it is. But this is a special example. What is the case in ordinary C/D checks?

Thanks,

An225


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Its all about costs within a safety standard.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4697 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

I know of turboprop aircraft based in Africa and Asia to be maintained in western Europe, so it happens!


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Even a short/medium haul aircraft like the 737 or Dash-8 can fly very far if empty, so I would not be surprised at rather long ferry flights for maintenance.


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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Caribbean Star regularly ferried their Dash 8's from ANU to Canada for heavy maintenance. LI does it every now and then.


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User currently offlineAn225 From Israel, joined May 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Thanks everybody for the help!

User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

NW used to send their 747s and A330s over to HKG for maintenance as well, prior to the merger with DL.

User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2595 times:



Quoting An225 (Reply 2):
I wonder if an airline is willing to send medium range machines to MRO sites in distant places.

SWA/WN sends their aircraft down to Central America for their HMVs...caused a big stink with the dispatchers union over it...



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2495 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 9):
caused a big stink with the dispatchers union over it...

curious why the despatchers were against that move.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

It was the lack of training over it. SWA doesnt do any international ops, so the prospect of moving airplanes down to central america without any real training over international ops (from what I heard, the training was "here's a memo, go do it") kinda torqued the union off.


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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Qantas used to send some A330's to ZRH for maintenance at SR Technics. This was a few years ago, not sure if they still do, as far as I know they don't. They had to refuel somewhere, I think it was SIN.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 11):
from what I heard, the training was "here's a memo, go do it") kinda torqued the union off.

Thats the curious part If there is an objection.......shouldn't the pilots object rather than the despatchers.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineWirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)

User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2320 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Thats the curious part If there is an objection.......shouldn't the pilots object rather than the despatchers.

Well the dispatcher's felt they were legally responsible for the flight and operational control of it, just like any other Part 121 operation. The company felt the flights were Part 91, a dispatch release was not actually needed, and any dispatch work done was only for informational purposes only.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2286 times:



Quoting Wirelock (Reply 14):
seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)

I'm going to guess that's still just one stop if you fly with no payload and full tanks.



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User currently offlineCaryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2229 times:



Quoting Wirelock (Reply 14):
seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)


I understand that airliners from the Philippines and Garuda in Indonesia fly to SNN in Ireland. What do "contract arrangements" mean for medium range aircraft on a long flight? I would guess that they enable medium range aircraft to make long range, nonstop ferry flights but Starlionblue thinks otherwise.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 16):
I'm going to guess that's still just one stop if you fly with no payload and full tanks.

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4697 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2213 times:



Quoting Caryjack (Reply 17):
I would guess that they enable medium range aircraft to make long range, nonstop ferry flights but Starlionblue thinks otherwise.

why make changes making it a 12hrs+ trip (with all the crewing issues) when you can do it in a one or maybe 2 stop? There are no passengers that care, just the crew.



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User currently offlineWirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

I understand that airliners from the Philippines and Garuda in Indonesia fly to SNN in Ireland. What do "contract arrangements" mean for medium range aircraft on a long flight?
well from what i understood, these companies had contracts signed with lufthansa technik and LHT sent these customers to their subsidary in SNN for heavy MX