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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 958 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

When the traffic control tells the pilot to cross the river, does it mean cross runnway R?
I listened to ch 9 on UA to ORD and they used to tell pilots somethng about college and crossing the river.....

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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting WROORD (Thread starter):
When the traffic control tells the pilot to cross the river, does it mean cross runnway R?

No such thing as runway "R", all runways are numbered, and are either left center or right.

Quoting WROORD (Thread starter):
I listened to ch 9 on UA to ORD and they used to tell pilots somethng about college and crossing the river.....

You were probably hearing them doing position reports regarding common ground reference points. Every airport out there has them in one form or another.

IE when taking off to the west in LAX in VFR conditions a lot of times tower will say something like "no turns before the beach", meaning to not start their turn until they are over the water.

When I would fly around Vegas VFR approach would tell me to proceed "direct to the stratosphere", which sets you up nicely for an arrival into VGT.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3278 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 1):
When I would fly around Vegas VFR approach would tell me to proceed "direct to the stratosphere", which sets you up nicely for an arrival into VGT.

And you'd know the non-local pilots because they would come back with "umm, my service ceiling is only about 14,000....."  Wink

-Mir



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3154 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And you'd know the non-local pilots because they would come back with "umm, my service ceiling is only about 14,000....."

Only if they were witty enough as yourself Mir to come up with that comment!  Big grin

Hey WROORD, could you provide a little more detail such as where you were when you heard these transmissions, etc, like on departure for ORD or on approach to ORD?



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3068 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Hey WROORD, could you provide a little more detail such as where you were when you heard these transmissions, etc, like on departure for ORD or on approach to ORD?

It was on approach to ORD from LGA right after Cleveland said to contact Chicago Center. Chicago was telling pilots to go to 210 speed lower to 4K feet and somethin about crossing the river (unless it is a local jargon for Lake Michigan)?


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 4):
It was on approach to ORD from LGA right after Cleveland said to contact Chicago Center. Chicago was telling pilots to go to 210 speed lower to 4K feet and somethin about crossing the river (unless it is a local jargon for Lake Michigan)?

Some on here much more aware of the ORD area may know of an intersection or approach fix with a name that sounds like or is RIVER, that may be what you heard as the controller was issuing a clearance to cross RIVER or whatever the fix is, at an assigned altitude or speed.



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Well... not knowing who your aircraft was actually talking to... it's hard to say.

But, to assume (dangerous as that is)... They we're on with Chicago Approach since they were handed off from Cleveland Center. There are two things that I see it could have been:

27L ILS has a fix called "RIPPR" (ripper) with a note on the approach plate "When assigned by ATC, intercept glidepath at 4000' or 5000' or 6000 ft"

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"

as for the VFR "landmarks" with the airlines GENERALLY we only get those when there are published procedure JEPP plates for certain visuals like at LGA, DCA, etc... As such, my carrier has no published JEPP plates for visual anything at ORD that would indicate to cross a physical river at any particular alt.



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User currently offlineMmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

I noticed our controllers use the term sequence alot...

eg; "blue 622, follow company from left, he is your sequence tower @ 119.1"



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2812 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3015 times:



Quoting Mmedford (Reply 7):
eg; "blue 622, follow company from left, he is your sequence tower @ 119.1"

Meaning he will depart after the company traffic.... I presume it is so the pilot knows to remain behind him for the entire taxi, and to expect to depart right after he does.

That term is not in the dot sixty-five for controller -> aircraft comms, so it must be a JFK thing. Normally the most something similar is used is when sequencing arrivals. I.E.
" [Pilot reports traffic to follow in sight] Follow that traffic, cleared visual approach runway 31R"
"[...] you are 5 miles in trail behind a company 737"
etc..



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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2964 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
Some on here much more aware of the ORD

I work in the ATCT, but I wouldn't say I'm aware of what's going on.  Smile



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 6):

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"


You gotta love the guys at the charting office, they seem to have a sense of humor, there's lots of interesting sounding fixes out there.

I remember reading an approach chart for some random airport, don't remember the spelling of the fixes but the phonetic pronunciation for the IAF/FAF/MAP sounded like meeny, miny, moe  

[Edited 2009-10-17 19:56:05]

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:29:53]

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:30:09]

User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2812 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
You gotta love the guys at the charting office, they seem to have a sense of humor, there's lots of interesting sounding fixes out there.

Yeah, they do have a good sense of humor. I can think of a few that are funny. One that comes to mind is SEXXY also in Chicago.

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:48:09]


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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 11):

GRR260/035

GRR 260 Radial, 35 DME.

O woooooow I must be blind   

I'm a freaking CFII and I missed that. How embarrassing   

EDITED the post to hopefully make me seem less stupid  dopey 

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:31:32]

User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2812 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12):
EDITED the post to hopefully make me seem less stupid dopey

I'll let you off the hook with a favor. I also edited my post.  Wink



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User currently offlineMmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2924 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 8):
Meaning he will depart after the company traffic.... I presume it is so the pilot knows to remain behind him for the entire taxi, and to expect to depart right after he does.

That term is not in the dot sixty-five for controller -> aircraft comms, so it must be a JFK thing. Normally the most something similar is used is when sequencing arrivals. I.E.
" [Pilot reports traffic to follow in sight] Follow that traffic, cleared visual approach runway 31R"
"[...] you are 5 miles in trail behind a company 737" etc..

Oh I know what they mean, just adding to the content of the thread....



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