Pretty much sums it up from what I've seen in airline life. They sound kinda dumb when they first teach you the dirty dozen, but once you're out in the industry it only takes a few months to start noticing just how (sadly) true they are...
CanadianNorth
Passenger at 4A changed out, function checks serviceable.
Meristem From United States, joined Jun 2009, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 weeks 3 days 1 hour 15 minutes ago) and read 874 times:
The book "The limits of expertise" by Dimukes, Berman, Loukopoulos is a compelling read about the causes listed here and other, sometimes systemic, sometimes more subtle causes.
(Ashgate Publishing, ISBN 978-0-7546-4965-6)
Curiosity killed that cat. I still have some lives left.
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4177 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (3 weeks 3 days 53 minutes ago) and read 864 times:
Wonder if I could dig up my accident prevention notes from my commercial groundschool (probably packed well away in the attic at this point...).
Going by memory alone, the signs of danger:
1) hazardous attitudes (behavior attitudes not aircraft attitudes )
2) fatigue
3) an overwhelming need to press on to the destination, despite indications that it might not be safe (coloquially called "get-there-itis")
I know there's more, just seem to be drawing a blank at the moment.
Then there's the personal checklist for aviators, which is I'M SAFE
I- Illness-Am I sick?
M- Medication- have I taken any non-approved meds?
S- Stress- Is personal stress weighing on me?
A- Alcohol- have I abstained for the required period, and am I 100% sober?
F- Fatigue- did I get an appropriate amount of sleep and rest before the flight?
E- Emotions- Are any emotional problems pulling me down?
The FAA came up with the aviator's checklist based upon many years of extensive accident research with NASA and the NTSB into human factors behind aviation accidents.
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
That's an interesting list. I understand most of them and how they can effect the safety of a flight, but was wondering would you be able to elaborate on (7) Lack of Resources and (12) Norms please?
Pe@rson From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2001, 16723 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (3 weeks 2 days 22 hours 55 minutes ago) and read 828 times:
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27796 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (3 weeks 2 days 22 hours 21 minutes ago) and read 815 times:
Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 5): Pretty much sums it up from what I've seen in airline life
If practised in daily life,these safety nets do help.
Quoting LIFFY1A (Reply 8): That's an interesting list. I understand most of them and how they can effect the safety of a flight, but was wondering would you be able to elaborate on (7) Lack of Resources and (12) Norms please?
Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 501 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 weeks 1 day 23 hours 47 minutes ago) and read 657 times:
Quoting LIFFY1A (Reply 8): That's an interesting list. I understand most of them and how they can effect the safety of a flight, but was wondering would you be able to elaborate on (7) Lack of Resources and (12) Norms please?
Lack of resources => not having the right screws => window missing at 10000 feet
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 10389 posts, RR: 67 Reply 15, posted (3 weeks 1 day 9 hours 4 minutes ago) and read 547 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14): Quoting Larshjort (Reply 12):
Lack of resources => not having the right screws => window missing at 10000 feet
Not in that case.....It was bad lighting,not following rules & complacency.
regds
MEL.
Bad lighting is again a lack of resources (as is e.g. a lack of manpower or the correct tools). Not following the rules might fall under "norms" ("You can´t spend the whole night reading the IPC, I´ll tell ya these are the right screws, get going and get some work done like your mates!").
Pe@rson From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2001, 16723 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (3 weeks 1 day 6 hours 21 minutes ago) and read 527 times:
Quoting Ammunition (Reply 11): It is a very interesting topic, it is understanding these that the risks of incidents and accidents can be reduced
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27796 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (3 weeks 8 hours 43 minutes ago) and read 436 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15): You can´t spend the whole night reading the IPC, I´ll tell ya these are the right screws, get going and get some work done like your mates
Thats the pressure put on an Individual.But its better to be the hated employee that does his job properly.Go thru the books before doing a job......irrespective of the pressures.
regds
MEL.
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