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User currently offlinePropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 596 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

This question is for the expert. Now that Boeing has developed the first 747-8 that is a Cargo version for Cargolux, not a passenger version, once the FAA certifies the aircraft "air worthiness," on the 747-8F, does Boeing still have to pass FAA certification on the passenger version of the 747-8? Is there a website of what an FAA Certification looks like?

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3953 times:



Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
Now that Boeing has developed the first 747-8 that is a Cargo version for Cargolux, not a passenger version, once the FAA certifies the aircraft "air worthiness," on the 747-8F, does Boeing still have to pass FAA certification on the passenger version of the 747-8?

The short answer is yes. The long answer is that some, but not all, certification can carry over. Things that are the same between the two models (e.g. propulsion) should carry directly over. Things that are different (e.g. aerodynamics) would have to be tested again. And passenger and freighter models have some different FAR's (e.g. fire detection/extinguishing), so you'd have to show compliance to different rules.

Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
Is there a website of what an FAA Certification looks like?

You can see the Type Certificate Data Sheets (TCDS) here:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...keModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

The actual Type Certificate is an FAA Form 8110-9:
http://www.gulfstream.com/news/relea...s_images/images/certificate_hr.jpg

This document tells you more than you'd probably ever want to know about what goes into type certification:
http://www.alaska.faa.gov/flt_std/aws/media/8110-4.pdf

Tom.


User currently offlinePropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Tdscanuck thanks so much for answering my question, I do appreciate you very well.  Wink

User currently offlinePropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3907 times:



Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

I don't know. I was trying really hard to find that and couldn't find a general database. I only found the Gulfstream one by doing a Google image search. I can't figure out why the FAA doesn't list these online along with the TCDS's.

Tom.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3892 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 1):
This document tells you more than you'd probably ever want to know about what goes into type certification:
http://www.alaska.faa.gov/flt_std/aw...4.pdf

Just to be accurate, 8110.4C is the latest version.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

I don't know. I was trying really hard to find that and couldn't find a general database. I only found the Gulfstream one by doing a Google image search. I can't figure out why the FAA doesn't list these online along with the TCDS's.

I think it may be because its considered proprietary to the TC holder. The TCDS contains far more information anyway. You will notice that the STC's that are listed are copies and the originals are on file with the holder.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 3728 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 5):
think it may be because its considered proprietary to the TC holder. The TCDS contains far more information anyway. You will notice that the STC's that are listed are copies and the originals are on file with the holder.

The substantiation data submitted to the FAA for type certification is held as proprietory.

That is why when applying to get an STC on a Boeing aircraft you can no long claim something is airworthy on that aircraft just because Boeing previously did it that way. Either get the revelent data from Boeing or generate it yourself.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 3714 times:



Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

WWW.faa.gov

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...keModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet



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