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User currently offlineKimon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

were all throttle controls only mastered by the flight engineer?
ie could the captain and co-pilot not do it by themeselves for takeoff and landing?

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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

The throttles are controlled by the PF, the flight engineer is used to set the exact thrust for take-off for example for a RR powered A/C we would set approx 1.2 EPR then approx 1.4 and then with the help of the F/E set the exact take-off thrust, the F/E would trim each throttle independently to get them all the same, you could feel it happening under your hand, all this was done before 80 knots and he would call "thrust set" and remove his hand.

The F/E did the same job during climb and cruise setting the required thrust on each engine independently.

For decent the PF would reduce the thrust to idle and the F/E wouldn't have to touch the throttles again until landing when he holds the thrust levers at idle while while the PF selects reverse thrust.

This may be different to other operators and/or if the A/C had FFRATS.

If you ever have an inoperative A/T on the 744 the PM becomes an F/E and does the job of setting the required thrust during each phase of flight.

[Edited 2009-12-27 16:15:55]


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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1597 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

On another old airplane, the 727, we have the PF push the throttles up to 1.4 to stabilize then get it close to Takeoff EPR then call "set max/reduced thrust" then the PNF sets it. At some companies the FE does the final setting. After takeoff during climb out the FE sometimes sets climb thrust when asked for, but normally he is kinda busy and the PNF will get it. It works the same way in the 747, it depends on the operator. We do it our way because we don't want the FE leaning forward during this phase when he could be watching for any abnormalities on the roll.


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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
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How many a/c had a set of throttles on the F/E panel as well?


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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Well the Lockheed Constellation was one and on jets the VC-10 was an aircraft where the F/E had his own set of throttles. As "CCA" stated it perhaps varied from company to company but in BOAC the F/E operated the throttles at all times except perhaps for the last 200ft of the approach when the pilots were allowed to play with them and for reverse.

The engines thought it was a very civilized approach so I am told  Wink

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User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3408 times:



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 3):
How many a/c had a set of throttles on the F/E panel as well?

I think even the tu-154 has two sets.



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1646 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
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Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 3):
How many a/c had a set of throttles on the F/E panel as well?

The Boeing Stratocruiser and its military twin, the KC/C-97 had another set of throttles for the FE.

JetStar

[Edited 2009-12-28 14:22:08]

User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
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Did Concorde have a second set, just not on the F/E panel, but aft of the main set of throttle? LIke right on the edge of the pedestal or something...


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2141 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2982 times:



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 7):
Did Concorde have a second set, just not on the F/E panel, but aft of the main set of throttle?

No, like the 747 classic, DC10, etc. an extra addition was made to the existing throttles to let the F/E fine tune the engine thrust setting, while the Pilot Flying was able to override the controls when necessary. It's not a separate set of throttles, but an extra control lever at the same throttle quadrant.


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