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Cost To De-Ice An Airplane?  
User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1515 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12052 times:

How much does de-icing fluid cost? Are there several types of this fluid? And labour + overheads, how much in general terms would it cost to de-ice say a 738 with half an inch of indurated ice over its surface covered by two inched of snow?

Faro


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

There are 3 main types of fluid, Type 1, type 2 and type 4.
Type 1 is for deicing. It is diluted with hot water to a maximum of 50/50. Less fluid is required when it is not so cold.
Type 2 and 4 are anticing fluids. They can be diluted as well, but here we use them neat. When neat they are applied cold.
This fluid costs around 15 USD a litre.
To deice a frozen B738 you can use between 200-1500 litres.
The cost of hiring the truck is about 600 USD per application.
The truck is expensive because the crew are on standby all winter, and we only pay when we use them.
If the snow is soft, we blow it off the wings first with a blower on the truck, or use plain hot water before deicing.
In Sweden, after deicing the fluid is hoovered up by a sweeper and taken to a storage area, where it is recycled.
Lots of money involved!


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

Thanks for the info TristarSteve.

I had no idea it cost so much.

Does the 1500L figure you give represent a two phase deicing/anti-icing for the whole aircraft (B738)?

How much would that figure be, roughly, for a full 747 (wings+stab+fuselage, two fluids, the works)?



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User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12006 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 1):
Thanks for the info TristarSteve.

I had no idea it cost so much.

Thanx indeed TristarSteve, that's a whopping big expense that hits your trip P+L there, USD 15 per litre is no joke. If you were to use the maximum 1'500 litres for a 738 you're looking at a USD +30k bill which may conceivably be enough to wipe out the gross profit of a number of trips. Good thing it happens rarely...

BTW, how much % fluid can you recover by the hoover method?

Faro



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11988 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 2):
Does the 1500L figure you give represent a two phase deicing/anti-icing for the whole aircraft (B738)?

Anticing uses little fluid, around 200litres will cover a B744.

Its deicing that uses fluid, yesterday we had frozen snow and it took 15 mins to get it off a B767 with two trucks. But as the temp was around zero, most of the fluid was hot water.


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11869 times:

Most trucks have a sight gauge on the side. You'll note that the Type I tank is often three to four times larger than the Type 2/4 tank for this reason mentioned above. You need a lot more type 1 because you have to have a clean surface before you apply the anti ice fluid.


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User currently offlineRDUOODL From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11657 times:

AA had all three of their de-ice trucks not running one night and we had to complete the spraying of their aircraft. The B763 to LHR had a light layer of ice over the wings with snow falling in the area. AA paid nearly $4000 to have it treated with only Type-I fluid. It only took us six minutes to finish the aircraft. AA ended up using us for the next five days for all of their flights for a grand total of $63K. I still tell the station manager he owes us dinner.....


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