Tboyce12 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5097 times:
I'm working on a research paper on the history of the jet engine and need to get some basic numbers for a jet engine. My focus is on Frank Whittle and the Gloster 28 and the main equation I've been using is F=(mdot*V)exit - (mdot*V)initial. If anyone knows what the values would be for the Gloster and Whittle's W1 engine or something similar that would be ideal. Otherwise, if someone could give me these numbers for a somewhat basic jet engine today.
Other values that I'm trying to get actual numbers for are:
1) Increase in pressure and temperature of the air (from outside air temp. & atmospheric pressure) as it goes through the inlet and compressor and gets to the burner where its compressed and heated.
(Also, this is more of a history paper than a science paper, but the professors would like to have accurate and real numbers for a few of the basic equations that innovator (Whittle) would have used, so I don't need complex calculus or anything of that nature, just simple numbers to plug into the equations above.)
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12710 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5078 times:
Quoting Tboyce12 (Thread starter): If anyone knows what the values would be for the Gloster and Whittle's W1 engine or something similar that would be ideal.
At what airspeed? V_exit and V_initial vary *a lot* depending on the flight condition.
Quoting Tboyce12 (Thread starter): 1) Increase in pressure and temperature of the air (from outside air temp. & atmospheric pressure) as it goes through the inlet and compressor and gets to the burner where its compressed and heated.
From inlet to burner, just assume isentropic compression from the known pressure ratio (published for most engines)...it'll be really close. Those formulas were widely available long before Whittle.
Tboyce12 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4943 times:
I'm having difficulty plugging these numbers in and getting answers that look correct. I really need it simplified down into easy math, nothing difficult.
On the Southhampton paper, I used:
Thrust (F) = 1600 lbs.
Air mass flow (m dot) = 26 lbs/sec
All I want is the numbers that I can plug into a very basic equation that will either give me thrust or show the speed at which the air is leaving the engine. The flight condition can be anything, max power or straight and level cruise, it doesnt matter.
As I mentioned, this is a history paper with incredibly basic math so I need everything dumbed way down. Thanks a lot.
Jetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4740 times:
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 7): Conversion from slugs to pounds. Pounds is actually a unit of force, not mass.
Or rather, converting pounds weight to slugs. Always confuses the hell out of me, which is why I stick to SI units for this kind of thing.
For anyone not familiar with engineering units, 26 lb/s refers to the mass of air which weighs 26 lb flowing per second. But to apply the momentum change equation for thrust, mass flow must be in units of mass (i.e. slugs), not weight.
Weight = mass * g
So to convert the weight to a mass you need to divide by g (32.17). As you are already dividing by mass, it's easier to multiply the thrust by 32.17.
The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.