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What Happens To An A/c When It Is Retired?  
User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

I didn't see another topic about this, so I thought I would ask. What is the process for retiring an aircraft? All I know is what happens on the surface (i.e flying it to the desert), but what happens after it gets there? Is it put up for sale for a certain period of time, then it gets scrapped, or is it up to the owner what happens to it?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3558 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter):
or is it up to the owner what happens to it?

It depends on the value of the plane, if it is worth more in bits then often an airline will opt to mothball for the parts they want.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3471 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter):
I didn't see another topic about this, so I thought I would ask. What is the process for retiring an aircraft? All I know is what happens on the surface (i.e flying it to the desert), but what happens after it gets there? Is it put up for sale for a certain period of time, then it gets scrapped, or is it up to the owner what happens to it?

Two words for you:

Beer Cans.

Seriously...


It is always up to the owner.

Remember that storage costs rent money per month even in the desert.

If the plane cannot be sold by the owner, then usually some parts can be resold on the open market, and some can be scrapped for salvage (copper wires, etc).

The rest of the plane ends up holding your Budweiser.


User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3388 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
Remember that storage costs rent money per month even in the desert.

Then why are some fuselages still intact with no engines, flaps, rudders, etc. still sitting there? Like these DC-10s, are they costing their previous owner money still or does the scrapping company own them?


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User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 3):
Then why are some fuselages still intact with no engines, flaps, rudders, etc. still sitting there? Like these DC-10s, are they costing their previous owner money still or does the scrapping company own them?



The disassembly / scrapping of an airliner can cost $100,000 or more, depending on what you want to keep for later use. Simple storage of a hull (without concern for airworthiness), can be as cheap as $500 per month. Perhaps the owners are just delaying the expense of the tear down.

It may also be for tax reasons, or wishful thinking waiting for a sale.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2951 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 3):
Then why are some fuselages still intact with no engines, flaps, rudders, etc. still sitting there? Like these DC-10s, are they costing their previous owner money still or does the scrapping company own them?

It depends, sometimes the engines are owned by a seperate company than the airframe. In this case, the 5th DC-10-40 is a hint on why these are being stored intact: The 5th is the prototype KDC-10 for Omega, under the name of a seperate venture. The other airframes are probably waiting for conversion if/when the contract is signed.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Mostly The metal is Sold as scrap & the spares are reutilized.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3180 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
Two words for you:

Beer Cans.

Seriously...

Not seriously.... The aluminum used in aircraft can not be used to produce food products.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

http://www.uaminc.com/images/photos/...f%20Life%20Recycling%20Program.pdf

There's some info on one aircraft dismantler, prices start at

$35,000 for narrow and $65,000 for wide bodies.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3114 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Not seriously.... The aluminum used in aircraft can not be used to produce food products.

Okay, Four more words: "Light poles" and "New aircraft" 



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3094 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
Two words for you:

Beer Cans.

Seriously...

Actually not. The aluminum alloy used in aircraft is not suitable for food or beverage containers. Apparently it's too difficult to extract the other metals as part of the recycling process.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Without names....There was a company that picked an old B732 & scrapped it,sold the parts & managed to earn more on that than the cost initially paid for the aircraft.  
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
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