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User currently offlineUPS757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Currently UPS only allows us 2 hours to completely down load and up load an MD-11.
Does anyone know if this is the industry standard turn time on MD-11?

UPS now has us down to 1 hour turn on a complete down load & up load on an A300.

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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

That sounds about right, not too far off. It takes our load crews about 20-25 min to download an 11, but that is with part of the crew doing the main deck and three others doing all the lowers. It could be reloaded with in an hour but that means your hauling yesterdays freight. It doesn't make sense to have your schedule based on an hour turn time if you are hauling next day freight.


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User currently offlineDFWramper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

I can tell you that FedEx plans 90 minutes for a complete MD-11 turn from block in to block out. Typically 35 min to download and 50 min to upload with a crew of about 17, though I've seen it done with as little as 14 (depends if you are loading Aft bulk).

User currently offlineupsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

up here in PHL we turned md's under an hour before and a300 in 40 minutes, Tuesday threw Thursday i have to quick turn and a300 from DFW stop in PHL then to BOS. In ups we have to unload sections at a time rear pit then topside then front pit then on the load Vi's verso. i think FedEx ties the md's down not a 100% sure.

User currently offlineDFWramper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting upsphl (Reply 3):
i think FedEx ties the md's down not a 100% sure.

Yeah, we'll use either a weight cart or nose tether. Sequential Off/Onload takes too long!


User currently offlineupsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

i know it takes forever if your taking your time i wish we did something like that in ups would be so much easier.

User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Yes, sequential does add alot of time. It kind of works out sequentially anyway, if you have 4-5 ppl top side, one can is rolling back into position as the next one is coming in off the loader. Also, you have to let the belly guys know when a heavy can is coming in the door so the a/c doesn't settle onto an LD3 while being loaded.


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User currently offlineupsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

in UPS procedure is to start topside when the front pit is loaded and load the rear pit and belly when topside is done but we have to cheat all the time to get the plane out on time i start the rear pit around eight left.

User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Quoting N685FE (Reply 1):
It could be reloaded with in an hour but that means your hauling yesterdays freight. It doesn't make sense to have your schedule based on an hour turn time if you are hauling next day freight.



I'm thinking of operations at a hub above. At an out station you would be able to turn you a/c quickly and not have to sort the freight you just unloaded.



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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

When I worked the ramp we had a topside team and a belly team. If the a/c came in late we would use extra ppl from another flt and work all at the same time. We would also beef up ppl upstairs and extra tug drivers so we didn't have to wait for them to switch strings (4 dollies). So a late plane could easily have twice as many ppl then a normal plane, but that would most likely happen at an outstation not at a hub.


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User currently offlineupsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

I have about 23 people people on my crew when are md's come in late we unload rear pit and topside same time just to shade some minutes off. I have about 6 driver with 4 trains (4 dollies) but there are little ways to shade time off a load and unload on md's. Its actually an easy plane to load and unload.

any FedEx people do you guys load the right side first then left side?


User currently offlineDFWramper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting upsphl (Reply 10):
any FedEx people do you guys load the right side first then left side?

We'll load the front bellies ("pits") simultaneously with starting topside...most of the time we'll load ahead on the right side, but only about 3-4 positions. For example, we'll finish up the right side and have 2L-6L open for the last cans.

1L is usually loaded near the end of onload as it's the Haz can usually.


User currently offlineupsphl From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

In ups it's way different we load front pit first .Topside we load 1L and 1r then position 14 13 then 12L and R then 11R to 3R then the left side last I'm guessing are md"s are configure different are topside door position is 2L.

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

2 hours is enough when all your freight is containerized, with maybe some bulk. You need 3 hours if you're flying palletized freight, which is typically far more difficult than container flying.

I set up a new contract a few years ago with an MD11F, it was going to be all pallets and no containers. They scheduled the turns for 2 hours, and every day we were taking delays for the offload/onload. They finally changed the turns to 3 hours and the on-time performance went up.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
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It also matters where in the world you are doing the turn at. LEJ, BRU, SDF, MEM, two hours enough for cntainerized freight. If you are in some craphole African city, then there is no way you are gettin out of there in two hours.


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User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

at ORD with 5 people on LH md11s we could do it in an hour and 15 if the warehouse system doesnt get backed up. BR, WO, and CK md11s take more time as they dont have maindeck pdus.


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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 15):
at ORD with 5 people on LH md11s we could do it in an hour and 15 if the warehouse system doesnt get backed up. BR, WO, and CK md11s take more time as they dont have maindeck pdus.



Only five on your entire crew, is that for an entire off and on load? Thats working your crew like rented sled dogs, how many a/c can you guys do/last at that pace?
PDUs????? Ours have long been removed from the main deck. The Airbus still have them installed in the lowers.



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User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting N685FE (Reply 16):

with LH we did 2 turns a night, but with BR, we did 1 turn with their md11 and 1 with a 744f. CK usually once a month for the md11, mostly 744f. its pretty simple, 3 people upstairs pushing, 1 on the mdl, 1 person for the ldl, and i did all the driving. using transporters makes it real easy.



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