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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

I was just curious if someone could explain how/why some of the routes flown by commercial airliners are drawn up. I realize there are a ton of VOR's and high altitude intersections, and jet airways and such, but what factors go into making the "right route".

I'm sure theres good reason for the design of every route, but some just seem horribly horribly out of the way and inefficient.

I'll use a Pinnacle DTW-CRW flight as an example. Pinnacle just took over the route from XJ a few days ago.

Exhibit 1: This is the route Mesaba always took, regardless of aircraft.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...7/history/20100405/1950Z/KDTW/KCRW

Exhibit 2: This is the route that Pinnacle has drawn up. On this day the aircraft actually flew the entire route as planned.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...5/history/20100408/1750Z/KDTW/KCRW

Exhibit 3: This flight had the same planned route as the one above, but got cleared direct pretty early into their route.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...5/history/20100406/1748Z/KDTW/KCRW


Is making what should be a 40 minute flight 20-25 minutes longer really ever the "best" way? I understand routes like this going into NYC airspace to hit the STARS, but I dont quite get it in this particular situation - and I'm sure there are others like it.


Any information from Pilots / dispatchers is appreciated. Also do dispatchers actually plan the routes or is that someone else's job?

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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Yes, dispatchers actually plan routes. Although, in busy airspace and city pairs, ATC tells us what to fly, so our routes are canned. On longer routes, we have a lot more freedom.

According to the flight histories, they were all filed the same, but all flew different routings. That said, at their furthest extent, they are wildly out of the way, so fuel planning should be too far off.

I'll have to do some research as to the preferred IFR route for this segment.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Okay, Here's what I've found:

Preferred IFR routing is KDTW..ACO..AIR..HVQ..KCRW

Mesaba is filing this:

KDTW ACO2 ACO HVQ KCRW, which, aside from the SID, follows the preferred, and in fact is more preferrable due to the SID.

Pinnacle is filing this:

KDTW ROD2 ROD J43 FLM KCRW, which strikes me as odd, as FLM is WAY out of the way (150 NM west of CRW.) However, on 09APR, they filed that, but got the preferred routing.

So, that said, I would have to believe that there was some sort of weather going on and for some reason, their canned routing got modified, perhaps by accident.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
KDTW ROD2 ROD J43 FLM KCRW, which strikes me as odd, as FLM is WAY out of the way (150 NM west of CRW.) However, on 09APR, they filed that, but got the preferred routing.

I really dont understand how that even gets filed..

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
So, that said, I would have to believe that there was some sort of weather going on and for some reason, their canned routing got modified, perhaps by accident.

So the route they're filing could essentially be a mistake? It looks like they've been able to get cleared direct to Charleston before even getting halfway to FLM on most occasions. Could they be banking on this happening?


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 3):
Could they be banking on this happening?

I would say no. It would be pretty unprofessional to assume that you would get a shortcut everytime you fly. Since I don't work there, I can't say anything specific as to the reason they are filing that route, aside from entry error, or ATC request.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Interesting information. Thanks!

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