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Anybody Flown A Remos G3/GX LSA?  
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Found an FBO where I'm getting checked out in a 172 but noticed they have a new Remos LSA for rent, it's only $90 an hour. What intrigues me is the 600lbs useful load and over 1000fpm climb rate, and it's nearly as fast as the 172 as well. Also it has huge windows. Overall it sounds like a great little plane to build some time in and poke around the clouds, certainly much better than a flimsy 152. Been trying to find reviews online but there's not much info on the plane, but otherwise what little I find is nothing but raves.

So if you've flown this plane, what did you like or didn't like about it?   

Thx!

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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Thread starter):
certainly much better than a flimsy 152

Flimsy? Given what 150s and 152s go through...and have gone through over the past 50 or so years...I'd say they're anything but flimsy!



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
.I'd say they're anything but flimsy!

OK ok... they're certainly flimsy looking and have wimpy performance though!  


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
OK ok... they're certainly flimsy looking and have wimpy performance though!

Bah, you can have your nancy-pants Fisher-Price plastic, pull-start, mix-the-fuel-and-oil little LSA with a prop the size of a ruler. I'll stick with a 150 and feel like I'm flying a Stearman with a Pratt 450 as you pass me.  



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Thread starter):
Overall it sounds like a great little plane to build some time in and poke around the clouds, certainly much better than a flimsy 152. Been trying to find reviews online but there's not much info on the plane, but otherwise what little I find is nothing but raves.

Is it IFR equipped? I had the distinct impression most LSA's aren't equipped for IFR (or even night!) flight   Considering that an LSA-only certificate will not allow you to fly into either IMC or night conditions...



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User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

A staffer at EAA got his LSA certificate in a Remos and has done a video blog about it. You can get a good feel for the Remos by watching a few of the videos.

http://www.eaa.org/apps/blog/learntofly/

Cessna and Piper both have their own LSA's out now. Another one to look at is the CTLS by Flight Design.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):

Bah, you can have your nancy-pants Fisher-Price plastic, pull-start, mix-the-fuel-and-oil little LSA with a prop the size of a ruler. I'll stick with a 150 and feel like I'm flying a Stearman with a Pratt 450 as you pass me.

  

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):

Is it IFR equipped?

Negative. Almost all LSAs are VFR only. The problem is that they fall into a big grey area due to their certification so they don't quite fall into the FAR requirements for IFR but the FAA called it good, for now, as long as they comply with ASTM standards. There were going to be some regulatory changes to for LSAs and IFR flight specifically but don't know what became of that.

Anyways that's what I remember reading somewhere.

Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 5):
You can get a good feel for the Remos by watching a few of the videos.

Interesting, thanks!


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6645 times:
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How much are you planning to fly? It might make more financial sense to purchase a cheap plane like a Cessna 140/150, Tomahawk, Ercoupe, etc. I regularly see examples for $15-20k. If you plan on flying fairly regularly, you might be able to buy one, use it for a few years, sell it, and not lose too much money in the process.


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
It might make more financial sense to purchase a cheap plane like a Cessna 140/150, Tomahawk, Ercoupe, etc. I regularly see examples for $15-20k. If you plan on flying fairly regularly, you might be able to buy one, use it for a few years, sell it, and not lose too much money in the process.

I considered it but I'm really only going to use it to maintain currency and the occasional fun flight. Besides, I have to cross a border and drive 4 hours to get to the plane as it is   

But my best friend just bought a Mooney M20B for that exact purpose (too bad he's even farther away from me, in SMF, otherwise I can fly it whenever  ) . We were looking at 150s and the usual cheap planes but we really wanted something that didn't fly like a kite with an engine, that was IFR certified, and a good cross country cruiser, and we got lucky and found a mint condition M20B and he bought it. He's in love with the plane. Will easily cruise at 140 true at only 8GPH.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

I've flown the Remos G3. By far one of the easiest planes to fly, in my experience. Much easier to fly than the Flight Design CTSW. If you're just looking to cruise around, and stay current, the Remos would be excellent. Much more fun to fly than a 172, that's for sure. Seems like you've got a great price too. Last time I flew one, it was like $110/hr. If you look around on the internet, you'll be able to find a POH for one, if you really want to get into the specifications of one.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):
Much more fun to fly than a 172, that's for sure

Really? Now that has me very intrigued now   

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):
If you look around on the internet, you'll be able to find a POH for one, if you really want to get into the specifications of one.

Yeah I read it already. I was surprised. My car's manual has more pages and is much more detailed. It does sound like a rather simple plane though. There's not much to it. Which I guess is a good thing if you just want to poke some clouds occasionally.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
Really? Now that has me very intrigued now

I've never considered a 172 much fun to fly. Sort of like driving a generic family sedan. The Remos just feels more maneuverable. Part of that could be the difference in control mechanism (Yoke versus Stick). Perhaps its just a sheer difference in weight. Once you get used to the somewhat non-traditional power settings for the Rotax, you'll realize its a nice airplane to fly. Just be prepared to deal with feeling nearly every bump out there, as the weight of the plane leads to a rough flight when it may be smooth in a bigger Cessna.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
How much are you planning to fly? It might make more financial sense to purchase a cheap plane like a Cessna 140/150, Tomahawk, Ercoupe, etc. I regularly see examples for $15-20k. If you plan on flying fairly regularly, you might be able to buy one, use it for a few years, sell it, and not lose too much money in the process.

There's a reason Tomahawks are so cheap - they're easily spinnable, far easier than a C172. I nearly found out to the cost of my and my instructors' life when I was doing stall training.I'd rather not fly at all than buy a Tomahawk.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
Once you get used to the somewhat non-traditional power settings for the Rotax, you'll realize its a nice airplane to fly.

Is it just that you have to get used to memorizing the comparatively higher RPMS and resulting performance? or is there more to it?

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
Just be prepared to deal with feeling nearly every bump out there, as the weight of the plane leads to a rough flight when it may be smooth in a bigger Cessna.

I figured. It really is a glorified ultralight after all 
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 12):
I'd rather not fly at all than buy a Tomahawk.

Good 'ole Traumahawks...


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
Is it just that you have to get used to memorizing the comparatively higher RPMS and resulting performance? or is there more to it?

Not much to it, just RPM settings that are drastically different than a direct drive Lycoming or Continental engine. RPM's are up in the 5,000's for takeoff. I seem to remember cruising in the Remos at around 4800 RPM's, but its been a while. Worst case scenario is you fly the Remos, and don't like it.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 14):
Not much to it, just RPM settings that are drastically different than a direct drive Lycoming or Continental engine.

Gotcha

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 14):
Worst case scenario is you fly the Remos, and don't like it.

I think I'll like it from what it sounds like. The only plane I flew and didn't like was the 182 RG.   


User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Hi all,

I followed this thread with interest but then it came to a grinding halt.

I have a question: I'm considering purchasing a Colombian built Ibis Magic.
Rotax 100HP, and a modern wing design makes it quite fast for an LSA / Ultralight.

Anybody has any experience with them?
The cabin is very comfartable and it looks cool.
With additional tanks and nice big flaps it looks to be a good option.

A good buy?

Cheers,

###I'm always on the run###



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 16):

I have a question: I'm considering purchasing a Colombian built Ibis Magic.
Rotax 100HP, and a modern wing design makes it quite fast for an LSA / Ultralight.

Looks very much like the Paradise P1 out of Brazil. Is it a kit built, or a factory built airplane? If it's the former, the most important thing to do is look over the build quality extensively. Get to know who built it, and what their experience was in the process. Lots of thing can go wrong, that are hard to find later. Otherwise, it looks like an interesting plane.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 17):

Looks very much like the Paradise P1 out of Brazil. Is it a kit built, or a factory built airplane? If it's the former, the most important thing to do is look over the build quality extensively. Get to know who built it, and what their experience was in the process. Lots of thing can go wrong, that are hard to find later. Otherwise, it looks like an interesting plane.

Thank you, will try to find out.
Good point.
It looks good though, doesn´t it?
But looks can kill………...


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User currently offlinetams747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Thread starter):
certainly much better than a flimsy 152
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
they're certainly flimsy looking and have wimpy performance though!

Eagle One and Eagle Two are anything but flimsy looking, how could you not like a 1965 straight tail 150? At SL you can climb well over 1000 fpm and they cruise just as fast as the 172s. I would rather fly those than a remos any day.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting tams747 (Reply 19):

Eagle One and Eagle Two are anything but flimsy looking, how could you not like a 1965 straight tail 150?

I never liked the old school Cessnas, or any version of the 150. Call it blasphemy if you want.

If I'm gonna fly something with a straight (leading edge) tail, it better be a Mooney  


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

Quoting tams747 (Reply 19):
Eagle One and Eagle Two are anything but flimsy looking, how could you not like a 1965 straight tail 150? At SL you can climb well over 1000 fpm and they cruise just as fast as the 172s. I would rather fly those than a remos any day.

Clearly you've never flown the Remos then. I've flown the 150/152 and a Remos, and I'll say the Remos is so much more fun to fly. Performance wise, it'll beat anything the 150 can do, while burning less fuel (and non-leaded fuel at that). Plus, you can literally store them anywhere, unlike the Cessna.

-DiamondFlyer


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