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Who Operates The 747-400ER?

c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

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Looking throught pictures of the 744, I noticed very little were ERs. Unless pictures in the A.net gallery don't annotate the 744 with whether it's an ER or not, are there not many ERs out there? On the a/c info page it looks like you only get about ~400nm extra out of the ER, so was it not popular for operators? Typically, an ER version of an airplane should give you an extra 1000-2000nm shouldn't it?

[Edited 2010-06-10 19:17:55]

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777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Only QF in terms of passenger models. They only have 6 of them. Several operators operate the -ERF.

[Edited 2010-06-10 19:19:20]

No one cares when your next flight is....

NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Only Qantas ordered 6 so they could operate MEL-LAX without payload restrictions IIRC. I don't think anyone else required the advantages of the 744ER.

It's all about the destination AND the journey.

NWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 844 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Qantas flys six 744ERs. They are the only passenger version. There are about 40 that are flown as freighters.

afterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Currently only Qantas operates 747-400ER. The extra range is required to be able to fly nonstop from Australian East coast to the US West coast.

777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Let's see how many times we can repeatedly answer the same question. So far we're at four repeats.

No one cares when your next flight is....

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26693 posts, RR: 83
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

I have read that three carriers considered the 747-400ER: QF, for MEL-LAX, CX for LAX-HKG and UA.

I have also read that CX felt the tech stops at TPE with their 747-400 fleet were few enough that the extra capability of the 747-400ER to eliminate it were not worth the costs of adding the type and UA just couldn't afford it. So only QF ended up placing a firm order and taking delivery.

Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15870 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Also CX already has 777s and 340s which, while not quite as large as the 744ER, can handle HKG-LAX and HKG-JFK.

"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - from Citadel by John Ringo

413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2224 times:

what are the winds like flying down under? Is it just as bad flying in one direction as it is flying east against the jet stream?

747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

The 400ER and 400ERF versions are not mentioned in the Type certificate of the 747 as separate (sub) versions. Both are actually classified as a 747-400(F) with increased operating weights.

Original delivered are :

6x 747-438ER.........Qantas...................GE powered
5x 747-428ERF.......Air france................GE powered (3x leased from ILFC)
8x 747-4B5ERF......KAL Cargo............. PW powered
4x 747-406ERF......KLM....................... GE powered (1x leased from GuAP)
6x 747-4EVERF.....Jade....................... GE powered
5x 747-4HAERF.....GuAP..................... GE powered
2x 747-4OBERF.....China Cargo AL....... GE powered
2x 747-46NERF......GECAS.................. GE powered
6x 747-467ERF......Cathay Pacific AW... PW powered
2x 747-4HQERF.....Loadair Cargo.......... GE Powered

Total 46 (40 ERF and 6 ER).

[Edited 2010-06-13 02:48:26]

doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

The ER also wasn't offered for sale until the 747 had been in production for a while. By the time it was I believe most passenger airlines already had all the 747s they needed

When in doubt, one B pump off

afterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
Let's see how many times we can repeatedly answer the same question. So far we're at four repeats.

If you look at the posting time of each reply, they are very close. I believe 777STL, NZ107, NWAROOSTER, and I typed our replies at the same time.