bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Yes, although if they are not currently flying the type of a/c ypu want to use then they have to put it under their AOC which takes some time and money. DirectAir uses Xtra Airways for their flights with a B734.
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GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1104 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2091 times:
Yes - a couple of examples from the UK: this was the model used in the early days of Easyjet (ended up hugely successful) and the early (in fact the only) days of Varsity Express (ended up hugely unsuccessful).
Based on my very crude statistical analysis, this business model is no indicator of future success or failure
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
Quoting eugegall (Reply 4): Also do we have to use the crew from the company that owns the AOC?
Yes, otherwise it is known as a dry/damp lease and then you have to have your own AOC. The only thing you are responsible for is the fuel outside of the hourly rate. You want an ACMI (Aircraft,Crew,MX and Insurance) lease. You just focus on putting pax on the plane. There maybe some FAA paperwork but your lessor should be able to help you out.
You can start flying the minute you have the cash and the a/c is available. Usually operators want a minimum number of garaunteed hours with about half upfront. These are general rules.
Just curious, what cities are you thinking about serving?
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bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1962 times:
Quoting eugegall (Reply 6): Would i be able to dress the crew I'm my own uniform and customize the livery on the outside of the aircraft?
You probably could work out the uniform thing with the lessor and you can definitely do a new livery but your lessor will want a commitment from you b/c if you grow broke they have to spend the money to paint it back. I'd think they would want more than a 3 month commitment.
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JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4597 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5): The only thing you are responsible for is the fuel outside of the hourly rate. You want an ACMI (Aircraft,Crew,MX and Insurance) lease.
that would not only mean aranging (and paying) for fuel yourself, but also navigation fees, landing fees, handling fees etc. Especially the navigation fees are very tricky as they are charged on the operating flight number (IIRC), which is the one of your lessor. It makes more sense to lease it on an ad-hoc basis (or everything included).
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JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4597 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
Quoting eugegall (Reply 10): The problem with Ad-hoc is that its more suited for short term lease.
Im planning on 4 flights a day for the whole year. It would work out much better for me to do the work myself.
Please correct me if im wrong?
Ad-hoc indeed isn't the best thing, but it comes closer than normal ACMI lease. For example navigation fees, and I assume landing fees (though I am not sure), are by default charged to the operating carrier. And the question really is how much sense it makes when you basically lease-in the entire operation to contract handling etc yourself. It will be the operating carrier that will make all the operational decisions, and will need to be in contact with the handler, so why put yourself in there as a middle man. I'd just lay out the requirements to the operating carrier and have them deal with the contracting. They are far more suitable to asses what they need from the handler than you as a commercial only carrier are.
but that's just my 2 cents.
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