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Wing Strobes On The DC-9-30  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

I was spotting over at BWI about a week ago and saw a DC-9-30 from DTW come in. It looked cool in the old NWA colors, but that's beside the point. Unless I was crazy and saw things, it didn't have normal flashing wingtip strobes. Instead, they seem to rotate back and forth similar to the acl. Was this how the early strobes were?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Yes, LED technology is rather new.
Navigation beacon and strobes in the past were simply high intensity bulbs.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Navigation beacon and strobes in the past were simply high intensity bulbs.

  

Strobes are not bulbs. Strobes are (were?   ) tubes filled with Xenon gas that had two electrodes (one at either end of the tube). To make a strobe go "blink", you apply a high electrical voltage, which causes the Xenon gas therein to emit a bright light as the outer electrons in the gas go to a higher energy state and then release the light when they return to their previous state... Nowadays, though, new "strobes" are just really bright LED's. However, many genuine strobe installations remain in service, not only on older planes, but also on ambulances, fire engines, even fire alarms in buildings.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

No early strobes like lighting was very much bulbs.
On older aircraft, like props, 707, and even maybe early 747s as I recall, they were simply most often paired white bulbs that would cycle on off. No fancy xenon as stroboscopic lighting systems did not come into being till the early 1960s.

It was not until 1971 when FAA/CAA and later ICAO came up with standard that required stroboscopic lighting to flash about 60-times per minute at some minimum candela value and gave manufacturers till 1976 to be in compliance. As I recall the L-1011 was the first US aircraft certified that met that standard.



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Actually the wing strobe you see today was invented by a former NWA pilot named Harold 'Bill" Atkins and this article says it was first used on the DC-10.
http://www.albertleatribune.com/news...-made-aviation-safer-for-everyone/



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
I was spotting over at BWI about a week ago and saw a DC-9-30 from DTW come in. It looked cool in the old NWA colors, but that's beside the point. Unless I was crazy and saw things, it didn't have normal flashing wingtip strobes. Instead, they seem to rotate back and forth similar to the acl. Was this how the early strobes were?

Yes early DC-9's and even early 727's have an oscillating light instead of a strobe. At NW it was only some of the -30 models that had them the 40-and 50's had strobes.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 5):
Yes early DC-9's and even early 727's have an oscillating light instead of a strobe.

IIRC some DC-8's also had the oscillating wingtip lights.


User currently offlineatpcliff From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Hi!

I was recently flying a DC-9-34F that had wingtip white strobe lights. It was the only DC-9 I had flown with strobes. The others were older -3X models and DC-9-1X models.

cliff
LFW



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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 6):
some DC-8's also had the oscillating wingtip lights

Indeed. I saw them on a DC-8 freighter yesterday at DFW. Sparked a sense of nostalgia.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting western727 (Reply 8):
I saw them on a DC-8 freighter yesterday at DFW.

Thinking more about it, this same DC-8 also had its green forward starboard wingtip light lit by an oscillating light, like some of the DL Shuttle 727s I watched at DCA back in college. I was slightly bummed that the DC-8's red forward port wingtip light was stationary and that the red ACLs were both strobes. After all, those select DL Shuttle 727s had both the oscillating red/green wingtip lights and rotating ACLs...very cool to watch for it made the aircraft almost seem "alive". Then again, we all know it's perfectly natural for old aircraft to be a patchwork of different types of lights after going through "millions" of MRO cycles.

Anyway - question: why did some of those early aircraft have oscillating red/green forward wingtip lights while the norm has long been to have them stationary?



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
On older aircraft, like props, 707, and even maybe early 747s as I recall,

The old girls I've worked on all had a single, stationary bulb, and a rotating chrome reflector. Kind of a pain, because the motor to the rotating reflector went out almost as often as the bulb did. And on the upper deck of the 747, you must go through the cabin ceiling panels to replace it. Which always happens in January, which means that you're going to let snow and deice fluid into the cabin, or at least into your eye.


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Which always happens in January, which means that you're going to let snow and deice fluid into the cabin, or at least into your eye.

Murphy really likes to become a burden in the aviation world, no?  



Jack @ AUS
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