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ERJ145 "Hairdryer" Noise During Taxi  
User currently offlineCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 3 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

I've wondered for years what this noise is - Embraer RJ-145, and just after coming into ORD yesterday, I hear the captain shut down one engine during taxi, and then I hear a hairdryer-like noise somewhere in the belly, but it changed pitch up and down quite a bit - think of a hairdryer with some massive voltage fluctuation. I thought it might be the APU, but it was clearly coming from underneath instead of the back, and an APU wouldn't change pitch so wildly. All of the flaps and slats were already returned, so it wasn't that either. Ideas?

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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Quoting CMH (Thread starter):
then I hear a hairdryer-like noise somewhere

It must have been an A340 taxiing by.......
     


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User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

LOL CitationJet, that was awesome!  

User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

That's an aux hydraulic pump.

User currently offlinebri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 3):
That's an aux hydraulic pump.

   Yup,
Because

Quoting CMH (Thread starter):
the captain shut down one engine during taxi

and so some of the hydraulic system has to be powered by an electric pump.



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User currently offlinewestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 750 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Sorry to go somewhat OT but I've noticed a high-pitch noise in the MD-80 (incl. the -88) and the DC-10 while at the gate, though the MD-80's seemed to be of a higher pitch. Electric hyd pump? Thanks in advance.


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User currently offlinemrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting western727 (Reply 5):
Electric hyd pump?

Very likely, if not the APU itself.


User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

The captain shut down the #2 engine. The result is the electric driven hydraulic pump for the #2 system turning on to power the nose wheel steering. Quite annoying isn't it?


DMI
User currently offlinejetdoctor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Indeed it is the #2 hydraulic pump, and the fluctuation in sound is the demand on the pump, either being the nose wheel steering or brake operation.
I personally find the noise very annoying, and often wonder if the fuel savings from single engine taxi outway the additional hours on an electric backup pump. #2 pumps are always going bad and have to be replaced.

Regards,

Jetdoctor



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 7):
The captain shut down the #2 engine. The result is the electric driven hydraulic pump for the #2 system turning on to power the nose wheel steering. Quite annoying isn't it?

Ummm... actually, that should be the #1 that was shut down... Most people that commute will single engine taxi on #1 because it is quieter in the back for the people because the engine driven hyd. pump would be running and not the elec. pump under the cabin... it is the #1 hyd. system that controls the nose wheel steering and also the culprit with the noise around mid cabin on the 145...

That said, a lot of guys like to single engine taxi on #2, and #2 is started first (during pushback) because when the engine is turning and the eng. driven hyd. pump is running it does NOT power the steering, there by allowing for simultaneous pushback operations... unlike starting #1 which must be done AFTER pushback... when on a towbar type push (non-electro)



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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

It's been a while. That's one of the things that's different on the 170.


DMI
User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 10):
It's been a while. That's one of the things that's different on the 170.

I figured as such... hehe... just had to harass a fellow Jungle Jet driver =P safe flyin' mr.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

ThePinnacleKid has it spot-on. I've heard the noise many times from the rear of the 145 series, and often I'll try to book a seat farther forward simply to avoid it. Sometimes even a couple rows can make a huge difference.

And yes, it appears that the protocol with many pilots is to taxi out on #2 to enable engine start during pushback and to taxi in on #1 to reduce passenger annoyance.



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