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Your Opinion On Labor Relations; Pre-and Post Deregulation?  
User currently offlinenguyenmtv18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 days ago) and read 1895 times:

According to labor relations in the pre-deregulation and post-deregulation periods in the aviation industry?

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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 days ago) and read 1893 times:

Well, I wasn't even born when the industry was regulated, but from what I've been told by many senior pilots and just by reading older industry publications, prior to deregulation pilots at least were compensated accordingly when starting off and there were no such things as regional airlines which treat their flight crew as slaves. De-regulation benefited the consumer (pax) but hurt the workforce, IMO.

User currently offlineTHEBATMAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 846 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
De-regulation benefited the consumer (pax) but hurt the workforce, IMO.

Ditto from the old timers I've talked to as well.



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User currently offlinebri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

While it probably did benefit pax more than crew, I think it was a temporary benefit to the consumer, one which is nearing its end. Think baggage fees, "economy minus" seating, and the like. Now, we're stuck with that status quo, and cheap fares are vaporizing, too. Not to mention that all the bankruptcy forgiveness and government assistance money had to come from somewhere.

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User currently offlineDFW36L From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 89 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

De-regulation certainly put a price-focus on airline travel, which gave rise to the LCC model of flying, bringing the focus on minimizing cost even more. I would venture to say, however, that 9/11 and the subsequent recession had a greater impact than deregulation did in this area. With labor being the highest controllable cost of the airlines, that certainly strains labor relations. Regionals then developed the capacity purchase model, which has very slim margins and puts perhaps more pressure on the regionals than the majors have. Expressjet is an example of a carrier that negotiated when the margins were high, and is now having to pay the piper. And so they have become the airline that all the other regionals point to, as an explanation to the labor unions why they cannot afford richer offers during negotiations.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting DFW36L (Reply 4):
With labor being the highest controllable cost of the airlines

The rest of your post is good, but that statement is an outright lie made by the airlines to justify cutting wages.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24892 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Labor relations pre-deregulation were terrible in the industry. Relatively speaking things today are very placid.

Strikes which are rare today were a very common occurrence and often quite acrimonious.
Some years saw multiple carriers on strike over extend periods especially in the 60s and early 70s.

Here is a list of the major strikes in the 60s-70s

1960 - Flying Tigers - 27days
1960 - Southern - 118 days
1960 - Continental - 103 days
1961 - Northwest - 137 days
1961 - Western - 84days
1962 - Eastern - 83days
1965 - Pan Am - 11days
1966 - Eastern, National, Northwest, TWA, United - 43days (IAM struck all 5 airlines at same time)
1967 - Mohawk - 53days
1967 - Airlift - 24days
1969 - Reeve - 76 days
1969 - American - 21days
1969 - Piedmont - 31days
1969 - Western - 19days
1970 - National - 117days
1970 - World - 51days
1970 - Northwest - 160days
1971 - Mohawk - 154days
1971 - Hughes - 118days
1972 - Northwest - 95days
1973 - Ozark - 73days
1974 - TWA - 44days
1974 - National - 109days
1975 - Texas Intl - 125days
1975 - National - 127days
1976 - Alaska - 25days
1976 - United - 16days
1977 - Alaska - 20days
1977 Continental - 25days
1978 - Northwest - 109days
1979 - United - 59days
1979 - World - 132days
1979 - Hughes - 62days
1979 - Ozark - 53days
1979 - Flying Tigers - 19days



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8033 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
1960 - Flying Tigers - 27days
1960 - Southern - 118 days
1960 - Continental - 103 days
1961 - Northwest - 137 days
1961 - Western - 84days
1962 - Eastern - 83days
1965 - Pan Am - 11days
1966 - Eastern, National, Northwest, TWA, United - 43days (IAM struck all 5 airlines at same time)
1967 - Mohawk - 53days
1967 - Airlift - 24days
1969 - Reeve - 76 days
1969 - American - 21days
1969 - Piedmont - 31days
1969 - Western - 19days
1970 - National - 117days
1970 - World - 51days
1970 - Northwest - 160days
1971 - Mohawk - 154days
1971 - Hughes - 118days
1972 - Northwest - 95days
1973 - Ozark - 73days
1974 - TWA - 44days
1974 - National - 109days
1975 - Texas Intl - 125days
1975 - National - 127days
1976 - Alaska - 25days
1976 - United - 16days
1977 - Alaska - 20days
1977 Continental - 25days
1978 - Northwest - 109days
1979 - United - 59days
1979 - World - 132days
1979 - Hughes - 62days
1979 - Ozark - 53days
1979 - Flying Tigers - 19days

How about them good 'ol union glory days eh?  



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