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Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?  
User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Hi all, a question for debate....


Should the cabin overhead panels indicate when the person sitting there has their seatbelt on? (like in a car)


On the plus side.. no more having to make your seatbelt visible if you want a snooze, and an easier life for the FA's

on the negative side, it's a bit draconian.

Discuss!


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User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Beaker -

Not draconian at all. One is supposed to stay buckled in whenever sitting down.


As far as the technology to do this, it's very simple.

However, from an aircraft perspective, it will probably be very expensive as everything has to be tested, certed, et cetera.


I think the decision would be made based on whether or not the cost of fitting and maintaining the system would figure to be less than what injuries are costing in the form of higher insurance rates.



RR


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Costs Involved would defeat the purpose,considering spares & its added weight.Also cater to malfunctions along the way.
Physical check would be easier & cheaper.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting BeakerLTN (Thread starter):
On the plus side.. no more having to make your seatbelt visible if you want a snooze, and an easier life for the FA's

How would it do that? You could simply fasten the seatbelt and then sit on it.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

It would be a really nice feature in flight deck seats,

I have personally had a couple of occasions where I have reached over for something in the cockpit and heard my seatbelt come loose....big ooops!



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 1):
One is supposed to stay buckled in whenever sitting down.

I think it's more of an advisory. I've heard the pilot request that if seated, you leave your seatbelt fastened. I don't think it's mandatory.



Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 5):
I don't think it's mandatory.

It may be the airline's internal policy to mandate that seat belts be worn. For example, an airline may state, "It is required that you wear your seatbelt while you are in your seat." Like Air Canada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FVkYF8iNuA



Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 5):

I think it's more of an advisory. I've heard the pilot request that if seated, you leave your seatbelt fastened. I don't think it's mandatory.

Looking back at History....That Advisory has a lot of weight  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):

How would it do that? You could simply fasten the seatbelt and then sit on it.

Very Well put.....If Pax could all be trusted to follow Instructions,Most issues in Aviation would be addressed.

regds
MEL..



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User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

If your gonna have a light for seatbelts why not for tray tables and seatbacks?

User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 8):
If your gonna have a light for seatbelts why not for tray tables and seatbacks?


Because there are times when you should be buckled in yet it is still okay to have the tray down or the seat back.

I think the best use of this system would be to allow the CC to see via an annunciator board which seats aren't buckled and be able to remind them, either by walking right to the seat or using the PA.

Could save injuries, but again it's cost vs. cost... Installation vs. injuries.



RR


User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 9):
Because there are times when you should be buckled in yet it is still okay to have the tray down or the seat back.

I've been on many flights where people are told to put the seats up for landing and once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
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Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 6):
It may be the airline's internal policy to mandate that seat belts be worn.

Which means, in the US anyway, that federal law would compel compliance (i.e. it IS mandatory). See 14 CFR 121.317(k).


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 10):
once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.



On that note as a mechanic we quite regularly have the flight attendants write a snag saying something along the lines of "Seat 4A won't stay in upright position", and then when we get on board we will walk back to said seat, find it in the reclined position, put it to the upright position, and then heave and reef on the seat for a few minutes solid and find that the seat is functioning perfectly normal, no matter what we try it stays in the upright position just fine. I often wonder if the reason for the snag was the passenger didn't feel like having it upright, and just told the f/a that he/she can't get it to stay upright so it must be broken.

In all fairness, I've seen lots of times where there actually was a problem with the seat (hydrolock was worn out or a jamnut was loose, etc), but my experience has been that when they snag a seat as wont stay upright, well over 50% of the time we find the seat is working just fine...

Anyways, my apologies for being off topic, but I tend to agree that the seatbelt being on or not lights would almost definately be more work, weight and cost that it's worth. On top of that, I'm sure determined passengers would find a way around it before long...


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 12):

I've noticed sometimes my arm or leg will rest against the button to recline the seat, hence why it returns to the reclined position when it is put back in the upright position. But that has only been my experience.



kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out-USMC
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

My experience when I use to do reliability analysis at an airline showed that anything that a passenger can touch will break more often than any other part on an airplane. Seats and Stowbins are two of the largest mechanical causes of delays. Adding a complex seatbelt will be a nightmare. The system would be so unreliable that flight attendants would not trust it and it defeats its purpose. Getting a green light to come on a suite to indicate that it is secure for landing is already complex and prone to failure.


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 10):
I've been on many flights where people are told to put the seats up for landing and once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.

Pity people don't realise the reason rules are in place for.
regds
MEL.



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