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User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Now that its summer time again and stacking those bins suck in this heat, why cant there be an air vent for us ramp rats on the mainline jets like they have in the RJ bins? just curious?

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User currently offlineAirstairFear From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Because you'd lose your fire suppression rating? 'Course that doesn't explain why RJ's do have them. Got me there.


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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

I want to say the Airbus narrowbodies do, but it's been a long time since we've gotten one in my station.


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

The E-Jet series (E170-195) have one in the forward hold. Can't remember if there's also one in the rear hold as well. Doesn't help.


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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

When its crazy hot, we'll take the air hose off the plane and put it into the belly. Pretty easy to do on a 320 and 190. Well, this is until we get caught doing it or the flight deck starts to bitch about how hot it is up there but even then we'll tell them the temp prob must be broken and they'll just start the apu early.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting AirstairFear (Reply 1):
Because you'd lose your fire suppression rating? 'Course that doesn't explain why RJ's do have them. Got me there.

Not true... On the Ejets once a fire detection is noticed, the valve supplying the air closes.


To be honest.. because the designers really don't care about you. They would rather supply the air to the cabin where the people that are flying the plane and paying to be on the plane are. You can't do both.



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
To be honest.. because the designers really don't care about you. They would rather supply the air to the cabin where the people that are flying the plane and paying to be on the plane are. You can't do both.

And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind was the last thing on there mind and it shows in the way they designed there planes.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind

Actually no.. it's only in the forward pit....and more to do about carrying live animals....and only an option.



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I don't know what E jets your working on but our 190 holds are put together like crap. Flooring is coming up on just about everyone. The metal stripping that holds down the cheap piece of crap plastic flooring is coming up which at the tips turns into a razor blade. I can't tell you how many people cut there legs open on it. The belly wasn't designed for the abuse that its gonna take with luggage and cargo in mind. I probably work on a 190 between 30-40 times a week and they are a horrible aircraft to work on. This is my opinion of course, I've heard there amazing to fly but I'm not a pilot so really don't care about there flight performance. This fatigue should not be happening a month into the planes service and unfortunatly this is not an isolated incident and why isn't the service panel in the front of the cabin. Oh and our holds aren't fitted for live animal transport so perhaps those that are, are made better which i'm thinking is a long shot.


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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 3):
The E-Jet series (E170-195) have one in the forward hold. Can't remember if there's also one in the rear hold as well. Doesn't help.

Just to illustrate the point - worked one last night (o/b to YQR) and was sweating buckets doing the onload.

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind was the last thing on there mind and it shows in the way they designed there planes.

+1    I'd rather work the hold of a CRJ than in the hold of an EJet.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 8):
don't know what E jets your working on but our 190 holds are put together like crap.

Contrails15, he works on OURS, at the EMB HMV facility. I have worked with him a few times now. Just an FYI...



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 10):
ontrails15, he works on OURS, at the EMB HMV facility. I have worked with him a few times now. Just an FYI...

Well lets figure out a way so that we're not cutting the crap out of our legs on the floor. The airplane is a great plane to fly in and fly itself but geeeeez, no effort went into that belly. I would rather work on those ERJ's we had while we lost a few 190's few years back then these 190's. Horrible plane to load. The accuse that you should have the ground crew in mind as the last thing you should be thinking about in a design of a plane is bullshit. EMB went cheap when it came to that belly. Bring a designer to my gate next time i have to load 102 BDA bags in that freakin belly where the floor is half gone and the metal strips are sticking up . One last thing, why are the grate covers for the smoke detector not flush with the ceiling?????? Must they hang down. I'd love to go a full week without hitting my head on one.



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User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):

We get DL's MD88s with the floor sticking up as well I have cut my knee before but I guess thats the reason for knee pads. And today I had a CR7 with the same thing with the floors sticking up like razor blades


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
Well lets figure out a way so that we're not cutting the crap out of our legs on the floor. The airplane is a great plane to fly in and fly itself but geeeeez, no effort went into that belly.

Based on the last update I saw, there is a modified cargo floor being released...



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 13):
Based on the last update I saw, there is a modified cargo floor being released...

Thats the best news I've heard in sometime now. I remember when B6 got there first couple 190's. The flooring was carpet. LMAO Ah man good times when we first got these planes, good times.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 9):
+1 I'd rather work the hold of a CRJ than in the hold of an EJet.

I don't think Embraer knows how to design a good bin. The ERJs are terrible as compared to the CRJ and the EJet and it's massive smoke detector guards and terrible floor doesn't help either. Oh and who could forget the blowout cages and bulkhead along the left.

Quoting josekmlb (Reply 12):
And today I had a CR7 with the same thing with the floors sticking up like razor blades

One of the ones with the metal plates on the floor?

[Edited 2010-08-06 10:56:20]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlinespchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
One last thing, why are the grate covers for the smoke detector not flush with the ceiling?????? Must they hang down. I'd love to go a full week without hitting my head on one

But Contrails, that is why they gave us those cool hardhats to wear while loading bags! As you mentioned before, they are a great plane to fly in, but horrible to work on. You guys can keep em on the East Coast, I dont want them back here in LGB


User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 16):
But Contrails, that is why they gave us those cool hardhats to wear while loading bags! As you mentioned before, they are a great plane to fly in, but horrible to work on. You guys can keep em on the East Coast, I dont want them back here in LGB

No way, we love to spread the love around here at JFK so you'll be getting them soon enough. LOL This might sound messed up but its making feel better that others are suffering with this aircraft. 2010 and we don't have the technology in the aviation industry to make a belly floor that doesn't come up but double decker airplanes no problem.



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User currently offlinespchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Contrails, I dont think we will be seeing them on the west coast again until LGB will allow us to use them as commuter and not taking up a commercial slot. Could be worse, we could run 9x a day to the Bay Area with almost constant GDPs! Oh wait, we already do.

User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):
One of the ones with the metal plates on the floor?

Yes with the metal plates.


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

The wellfare of the ramprats is the least concern of the airline.

User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting 744rules (Reply 20):

That might be but it's us who bust our butts for you the pax to get you out on time. But it's about 97% bad feedback, but when it's a good turn or anything we get nothing. I know the airlines don't care it shows.


User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Ramp really is the unsong heros. I mean everyone has there part but I know a few pilots that will let you know that they know what we go through. You see, this is where I get pissed that I'm in the same payscale as above the wing in my company. Being in NYC you gotta deal with every weather event there is. Dealing with million dollars planes and using all types of vehicles but I do like what i do.


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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Quoting josekmlb (Reply 19):
Yes with the metal plates.

I will never understand why someone thought those were a good idea.

Quoting 744rules (Reply 20):
The wellfare of the ramprats is the least concern of the airline.

Thanks for your contribution. We're all better for it. At any rate, yes, the welfare of the average ramper is a concern of the airline. Maybe not in a completely altruistic sense, but bills for those visits to the clinic for OJIs certainly do add up.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinespchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Hey Contrails, has anyone in JFK brought up, why some of our tails still have the rail guides for the AUX Fuel tank program that utterly failed? Having to stack our long hauls with cargo FWD and bags in 3-1 is annoying! Then you add the 2 clamps on each side of the bin. Ive lost some skin and had to replace a few kneepads after a run in with those.

User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 24):
Hey Contrails, has anyone in JFK brought up, why some of our tails still have the rail guides for the AUX Fuel tank program that utterly failed? Having to stack our long hauls with cargo FWD and bags in 3-1 is annoying! Then you add the 2 clamps on each side of the bin. Ive lost some skin and had to replace a few kneepads after a run in with those.

Not that I know of. It is a pain and I do wish they would remove the rail guides and the foam on the back wall of 3-1 but I really don't think this is going to happen as it does not poss a huge problem, just more of an annoying one and having annoying problems doesn't get the job done in this company. Staking wise I don't think its too much of a pain but if your tossing bags from the belt loader, thats a different story. If you toss a bag and hit one of those clips, the bag does cartwheel and bangs into whoever your tossing the bag too. With the stupid rails you can't toss the bag flat which really sucks if you have to pack a D.R flight. I'm thinking it would be a big to do too remove everything although it doesn't seem like such a big deal.



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