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User currently offlineDelta2058 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

I have been following the Tampa Bay Rays charters. They always use CO1911. My question is about how or why the destination/departure airports are chosen when often that is not the closest airport. Here are some examples:

When playing the Tigers they flew into PTK instead of DTW. They had a long bus ride from PTK, while DTW is much closer to the ballpark. They departed from DTW.

In New York, they always fly into LGA and depart from EWR.

Yesterday they flew into SFO to play Oakland. OAK is much closer to the ballpark. The bus ride is about an hour from SFO.

What determines these seemingly odd choices of airports?

When they leave from PIE, their plane is brought over from TPA, about a 5 minute flight. How does CO schedule that plane and what becomes of that flight on days there is no charter? In other words, how is that plane available on charter days and what would it be doing on other days?

Thanks for any help in understanding these issues.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting Delta2058 (Thread starter):
When playing the Tigers they flew into PTK instead of DTW. They had a long bus ride from PTK, while DTW is much closer to the ballpark. They departed from DTW.

There are a lot of nice hotels north of the city and this is where many of the teams like to stay. It is not always about being close to the ball park, normally to the contrary, it is good to get the players away from the stadiums where they can relax and have a nice night off from the grind.

Quoting Delta2058 (Thread starter):
They departed from DTW.

Makes sense. Stay where you want on the off night, but after the game, make a quick getaway out of town from the airport closest to the stadium.

Quoting Delta2058 (Thread starter):
In New York, they always fly into LGA and depart from EWR.

Sure, bring the guys into LGA where they will stay in Manhattan and have a more enjoyable off period. Nothing much to do in Newark compared to NYC.

Quoting Delta2058 (Thread starter):
Yesterday they flew into SFO to play Oakland. OAK is much closer to the ballpark. The bus ride is about an hour from SFO.

The bus ride on game day is nothing compared to a cool night off in SFO.

The teams coming in to play the Packers mostly do the same thing. They land at ATW, stay in Appleton at the best hotel in town, then the morning of the game, bus over to GRB. The plane ferried over to GRB after landing in ATW, so they will be ready for a quick departure back home.

When you have the budget to operate like this, it sure makes road life easier and maybe they'll play better.


Quoting Delta2058 (Thread starter):
When they leave from PIE, their plane is brought over from TPA, about a 5 minute flight. How does CO schedule that plane and what becomes of that flight on days there is no charter? In other words, how is that plane available on charter days and what would it be doing on other days?

The planes used for charters are the same ones used for schedules, they just find one with a gap in the schedule and use it, or if need be, they will swap equipment on a schedule to have the right aircraft available for the charter. Normally, this is not done as there is usually a plane available to use or if the charter is known far enough in advance, it will be built into the normal bid lines and pilots and f/a's can bid on them just like a regular schedule . When the charter trip is finished, the plane will either be left there for the return trip, ferried back to base, or ferried to another location where it can be worked back into the system. No major US airline that I know of has a dedicated charter fleet except Delta, and this is only for the 7 VIP 319's and only 2 of these remain now, the other 5 having been converted back to 124 seats (they will be converted back again to 54 seats for the start of the NBA season). Those 7 319's have been know to sit for a few days but the NBA must be paying DL a minimum on these aircraft so no rush to get them back moving like there would be for CO.



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User currently offlineDelta2058 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Thanks, that really explains things. I am still in awe of the scheduling system used to make everything come together.


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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

That charter for the Rays usually will come in as a live flight from EWR, CLE or IAH then ferry over to PIE. They usually just no-op a flight for that day and plan it in advance.

User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 3):
That charter for the Rays usually will come in as a live flight from EWR, CLE or IAH then ferry over to PIE. They usually just no-op a flight for that day and plan it in advance.

What aircraft then operates the return flight for the pax awaiting the inbound live flight?



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