quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5204 times:
Just curious. Are there any performance differences between Southwests 300s and 700s? I know they wanted the cockpit to similar. Are they the same engines? Isn't the wing on the 700 different from the 300?
SevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1127 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5127 times:
Umm, yes! They are totally different aircraft. Southwest do have an analogue style cockpit layout but its built around a glass cockpit with screens rather than actual analogue gauges.
The aircraft are related but the -700 and -300 are a generation apart. The -700 has new engines, wing, landing gear, structural and aerodynamic components as well as myriad cabin and interior updates. Thats very general - I'm sure someone else will chime in with more detail.
The outcome? more range, payload, reliability, maintainence cost reductions and better passenger comfort.
They're the same to the flight crew...the same switches/knobs/displays in the same place to the same thing with the same procedures. The actual hardware and wiring can be radically different for some of the systems.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4953 times:
Where do I get started?
Different engines, different landing gear, different wing, different flaps, different hydraulic systems, different electrical systems, different aircon systems, different cabin pressurisation system, different APU, different toilet system, different landing lights, different avionics, different avionic bay layout, different overwing exits, etc.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 4): The only similarity is the nosebowl and even at that they added vortex generators.
Although I frequently go on a soapbox about how the 737NG really isn't the same plane as the original 737, it's a little more similar than I think you're implying.
The fuselage mold lines are basically identical. There are some common part numbers. The systems architecture is largely the same, although almost all the individual parts are different.
That said, the 737NG is about as different from the 737CL as it's possible for two aircraft to be and share the same type.
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6209 posts, RR: 74 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
The wing and engines = different performance, even at equal weights. It may be similar, but different. And they are trained to cover such differences.
Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 1): The -700 has new engines, wing, landing gear, structural and aerodynamic components as well as myriad cabin and interior updates. Thats very general - I'm sure someone else will chime in with more detail.
One major one (benign on day to day, but bloody useful!) is that you can now start the APU in flight if GEN2 goes offline in the air when you have a flat battery (by some poor luck)... no such luck on the classics...
Mandala499
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Is that difference in the Principle of operation or Units installed.I believe in the principle,Heard both Vaccuum & Recirculating types are customer options.
Is that difference in the Principle of operation or Units installed.I believe in the principle,Heard both Vaccuum & Recirculating types are customer options.
regds
MEL.
All 737NGs I´ve been working on or flying on (from different airlines) had vacuum toilets. The old "outhouse style" bog might still be an option, but I think that there is rarely anybody using it.
Mender From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4583 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 5): That said, the 737NG is about as different from the 737CL as it's possible for two aircraft to be and share the same type.
Even the way the fuselage skins overlap each other is different. I suspect that is because the classics were prone to corrosion of the lap joints.
soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2813 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4299 times:
Quoting Mender (Reply 9): Even the way the fuselage skins overlap each other is different. I suspect that is because the classics were prone to corrosion of the lap joints.
While the pressure vessel has the same cross section, as you have stated, the lap joint locations are different.
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 5): it's a little more similar than I think you're implying.
The differences I can see is the new architecture of the wings, H/stab, V/stab, taller landing gears, different power plants, canoe fairings, fuselage lap joints, new glass cockpits, wing to fuselage fairings, emergency exit operations,and many other ancillary interior system changes...IMO, the NG has had quite an extensive redesign. Even while flying as a passenger, you can feel the difference. ...While still being a 737, not much was untouched 'cepting...like I said, the nose appears to be exactly the same only w/ vortex generators...I wouldn't be surprised if the nose bowl from a 727 would still fit on a NG 737.
mrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4166 times:
One item that seems to be often overlooked in 733 vs. 7NG comparisons (which was touched upon in bullet-type fashion above) is the cabin pressurization system. The largest difference between the two from a cockpit perspective is the manual vs. automatic panel, but I've never really spent the time to learn more about what is different from a PAX comfort perspective.
What is different about the pressurization system on the -300 vs. the -7NGs that is more comfortable on the later model to passengers? As a very frequent passenger, I haven't noticed anything appreciably different between the two.
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Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 1): Southwest do have an analogue style cockpit layout but its built around a glass cockpit with screens rather than actual analogue gauges.
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