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Any Differences Between WN 737-300 And 737-700?  
User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

Just curious. Are there any performance differences between Southwests 300s and 700s? I know they wanted the cockpit to similar. Are they the same engines? Isn't the wing on the 700 different from the 300?

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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Umm, yes! They are totally different aircraft. Southwest do have an analogue style cockpit layout but its built around a glass cockpit with screens rather than actual analogue gauges.

The aircraft are related but the -700 and -300 are a generation apart. The -700 has new engines, wing, landing gear, structural and aerodynamic components as well as myriad cabin and interior updates. Thats very general - I'm sure someone else will chime in with more detail.

The outcome? more range, payload, reliability, maintainence cost reductions and better passenger comfort.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

Quoting quickmover (Thread starter):
Are there any performance differences between Southwests 300s and 700s?

Yes, quite a lot.

Quoting quickmover (Thread starter):
I know they wanted the cockpit to similar.

They're the same to the flight crew...the same switches/knobs/displays in the same place to the same thing with the same procedures. The actual hardware and wiring can be radically different for some of the systems.

Quoting quickmover (Thread starter):
Are they the same engines?

No. The -300 uses a CFM56-3 and the -700 uses a CFM56-7.

Quoting quickmover (Thread starter):
Isn't the wing on the 700 different from the 300?

Yes. Complete redesign.

Tom.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Where do I get started?
Different engines, different landing gear, different wing, different flaps, different hydraulic systems, different electrical systems, different aircon systems, different cabin pressurisation system, different APU, different toilet system, different landing lights, different avionics, different avionic bay layout, different overwing exits, etc.

Jan

[Edited 2010-09-21 13:48:02]

User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

The only similarity is the nosebowl and even at that they added vortex generators.

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 4):
The only similarity is the nosebowl and even at that they added vortex generators.

Although I frequently go on a soapbox about how the 737NG really isn't the same plane as the original 737, it's a little more similar than I think you're implying.

The fuselage mold lines are basically identical. There are some common part numbers. The systems architecture is largely the same, although almost all the individual parts are different.

That said, the 737NG is about as different from the 737CL as it's possible for two aircraft to be and share the same type.

Tom.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

The wing and engines = different performance, even at equal weights. It may be similar, but different. And they are trained to cover such differences.

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 1):
The -700 has new engines, wing, landing gear, structural and aerodynamic components as well as myriad cabin and interior updates. Thats very general - I'm sure someone else will chime in with more detail.

One major one (benign on day to day, but bloody useful!) is that you can now start the APU in flight if GEN2 goes offline in the air when you have a flat battery (by some poor luck)... no such luck on the classics...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
different toilet system,

Is that difference in the Principle of operation or Units installed.I believe in the principle,Heard both Vaccuum & Recirculating types are customer options.

regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
different toilet system,

Is that difference in the Principle of operation or Units installed.I believe in the principle,Heard both Vaccuum & Recirculating types are customer options.

regds
MEL.

All 737NGs I´ve been working on or flying on (from different airlines) had vacuum toilets. The old "outhouse style" bog might still be an option, but I think that there is rarely anybody using it.

Jan


User currently offlineMender From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 5):
That said, the 737NG is about as different from the 737CL as it's possible for two aircraft to be and share the same type.

Even the way the fuselage skins overlap each other is different. I suspect that is because the classics were prone to corrosion of the lap joints.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
The old "outhouse style" bog might still be an option, but I think that there is rarely anybody using it.

Corrosion due leakage is an issue in the Recycling type.
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting Mender (Reply 9):
Even the way the fuselage skins overlap each other is different. I suspect that is because the classics were prone to corrosion of the lap joints.


While the pressure vessel has the same cross section, as you have stated, the lap joint locations are different.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 5):
it's a little more similar than I think you're implying.


The differences I can see is the new architecture of the wings, H/stab, V/stab, taller landing gears, different power plants, canoe fairings, fuselage lap joints, new glass cockpits, wing to fuselage fairings, emergency exit operations,and many other ancillary interior system changes...IMO, the NG has had quite an extensive redesign. Even while flying as a passenger, you can feel the difference. ...While still being a 737, not much was untouched 'cepting...like I said, the nose appears to be exactly the same only w/ vortex generators...I wouldn't be surprised if the nose bowl from a 727 would still fit on a NG 737.


User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

One item that seems to be often overlooked in 733 vs. 7NG comparisons (which was touched upon in bullet-type fashion above) is the cabin pressurization system. The largest difference between the two from a cockpit perspective is the manual vs. automatic panel, but I've never really spent the time to learn more about what is different from a PAX comfort perspective.

What is different about the pressurization system on the -300 vs. the -7NGs that is more comfortable on the later model to passengers? As a very frequent passenger, I haven't noticed anything appreciably different between the two.



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User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 995 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 1):
Southwest do have an analogue style cockpit layout but its built around a glass cockpit with screens rather than actual analogue gauges.

All of our NG's are now using the PFD/ND dispays.



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