trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 5432 posts, RR: 14 Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3899 times:
Why isn't there a 238K MTOW A332F offered like for the pax version? You would think for a freighter a higher MTOW would be even more important. Airbus tech data shows 233.9 and 227.9K MTOW versions only.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33660 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
It may not be necessary if the aircraft is fuel-volume limited at the current 233t MTOW, though I know it flies farther with a lighter payload, so it might indeed be fuel-weight limited and a higher MTOW would help.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 4237 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
The important metric for a freighter is the MZFW.
I don't know about the A330 much, but if that MTOW extension to 238T on the pax version was done with no change to the MZFW (i.e: just to give it more range), then it would be a pretty useless feature.
Freighters don't need to fly far, they stop for fuel. The payload doesn't really care and it's more efficient that way.
[Edited 2010-10-29 18:35:02]
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 5432 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3536 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 3): AFAIK, the wing root bending moment is the limiting factor
For those of us who were stupid enough to do the social sciences at college, what does this mean??? The wings will break off if they have to sustain the higher load of a higher TO weight???
The freighters MZFW is higher than the pax version already, is this because of strengthened floor etc?
Another maybe stupid question. There is supposed to be a version of the freighter optimized for weight OR range. Are these structurally different? Seems to me, if you increase TOW with same fuel, your range goes down and if you take more fuel, your payload goes down, so its always a trade off of one against the other, or am I missing something?.
wn676 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3473 times:
Quoting trex8 (Reply 4): For those of us who were stupid enough to do the social sciences at college, what does this mean??? The wings will break off if they have to sustain the higher load of a higher TO weight???
Basically, yes. The wing is like a big cantilever beam which, when loaded, will try to rotate around the fixed end (root). If the forces at that end become to large trying to counteract the loading on the wing, the wing will fail at that point.
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
To explain it a bit differently, fuel in the wings doesn't load up the wing's mountings in flight, but payload does. This is why you cannot indefinitely offload fuel to increase payload. I'd be surprised if MTOW - MZFW was ever higher than wing fuel capacity. Of course, there are also limits to landing weight, but these are hit later.