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Where To Charter Or Wet Lease RJ Aircraft?  
User currently offlineShrimpBurrito From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 3 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

I am studying the concept of forming a small transcontinental startup airline serving a niche market. Most likely, we would do a wet lease/charter for two ERJ140's, or maybe CRJ200's. My guess is the acquisition arrangement would be for at least 1 year of operations with an option to extend to 1-3 additional years. Each aircraft would run roughly 1000 cycles and 4000 hours per year, basically flying transcon every day with a refueling stop. We'd be flying them pretty hard.

Am I likely to find an operator for such a provision? If so, any suggestions? Most of the operators I have identified offer only larger jets, like the A319, as their smallest aircraft for long term charter/wet lease.

Thanks,
Dave

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User currently offlineabnormal From UK - England, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Shouldn't you have asked this on the Commercial forum instead of the Tech Ops forum.

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting abnormal (Reply 1):
Shouldn't you have asked this on the Commercial forum instead of the Tech Ops forum.

No, it's more appropriate here, but he should've used google first.

http://www.controller.com/drilldown/...d=2A1C98953D6E4D1881FE646B54FB9FE1

http://www.aso.com/listings/AircraftListings.aspx?act_id=10&act_id=11


User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Express Jet provides ERJ-145 charter for group travel services. I've flown their charter flights twice and the service was great. Here's a link for more info.

http://charter.expressjet.com/



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User currently offlineShrimpBurrito From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Many thanks for the replies thus far.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
No, it's more appropriate here, but he should've used google first.

http://www.controller.com/drilldown/...d=2A1C98953D6E4D1881FE646B54FB9FE1

http://www.aso.com/listings/Aircraft...id=11

From what I can tell, both of these sites list aircraft for sale, not lease. I've called some sellers of ERJ135s, and they either don't lease or the lease is a dry lease to own, and thus, requires greater cash flow and lacks the amenities of the wet lease.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 3):
Express Jet provides ERJ-145 charter for group travel services. I've flown their charter flights twice and the service was great. Here's a link for more info.

http://charter.expressjet.com/

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give them a call, but it looks like they only charter ERJ145's, which I believe are considerably more costly to operate than the ERJ135's and 140's. Not necessarily a big deal for one charter flight, but when we're talking a thousand flights per year, obviously the premium is magnified.

Dave


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting ShrimpBurrito (Reply 4):

From what I can tell, both of these sites list aircraft for sale, not lease.

I posted them because planes for lease are posted frequently there, so keep checking those sites.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting ShrimpBurrito (Reply 4):
I'll give them a call, but it looks like they only charter ERJ145's, which I believe are considerably more costly to operate than the ERJ135's and 140's.

The ERJ145 is the same size as the CRJ200 you mentioned in your opening post. With the 135 and 140 you'd be giving up seats to get the cost savings.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Keep in mind that if you want to wetlease (or ACMI-lease) you will need your own AOC. It might be easier to initially start off as a full charter.


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User currently offlineShrimpBurrito From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
Keep in mind that if you want to wetlease (or ACMI-lease) you will need your own AOC. It might be easier to initially start off as a full charter.

Yes, I just learned that, and I agree. I'm going to explore that route, too. I presume the primary disadvantage of running it as a full charter is that the initial recurring costs would be higher than a wet or ACMI lease.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting ShrimpBurrito (Reply 8):
I presume the primary disadvantage of running it as a full charter is that the initial recurring costs would be higher than a wet or ACMI lease.

With a full charter your variable costs (the flying) will be higher, but your fixed costs (the AOC and everything that comes with it) will be lower. The question is, what equilibrium makes sense for you?



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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4460 times:
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Quoting ShrimpBurrito (Thread starter):
Am I likely to find an operator for such a provision? If so, any suggestions? Most of the operators I have identified offer only larger jets, like the A319, as their smallest aircraft for long term charter/wet lease.

Well, give us a chance. We can answer all your questions and realize your plan:

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