Wingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
So, I know some folks have a lot of fun with the aircraft identification threads on this forum, but some of the aircraft posted are so obscure and so difficult only the most hardcore plane-spotters get them while everyone else just sort of loses interest (me included)
I would like to venture a slightly different sort of thread, one where anyone can participate, but instead of trying to find pictures for people to identify, you need to find pictures of 2 completely unrelated aircraft which very closely resemble each other, in essence a 'lookielikie'. You see this sort of thing a lot with celeb pics and cartoon characters, but I want to try it with airplanes.
I know sometimes to help identify an airframe many will say 'oh that looks like a 'planetype' but 'feature' is different'. Totally unrelated designs would be best, instead of just block point differentials - you can't just cheat and say the 747 classic looks a bit like the 747-400, that's too easy. Looking at the similarities between say the F-15 and the Mig-25 for instance is more interesting. There are no rules, just try to pick aircraft of very similar configuration.
I think this will be a fun exercise in aircraft differentiation, and I'm going to get it rolling with some examples, have fun, can't wait to see what y'all come up with
Only 4 Y-10s were made, they were designed by the Shanghai Aircraft Research Institute in the 70s and first flight was in 80s. Its engines were actually PWs that were scrap from the 707s that china owned at the time. The fact that it was introduced around the time China started trade with the west meant that it was a commercial failure. Interesting design never the less.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
Great examples, but you have to realize ... if you give two engineers a blank sheet, and a mission to fulfill, odds are the result is going to look similar. If you consider the designed mission of each of the "pairs" above, what they are intended to do is also very similar.
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DiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
etherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4519 times:
Quoting longhauler (Reply 11): Great examples, but you have to realize ... if you give two engineers a blank sheet, and a mission to fulfill, odds are the result is going to look similar.
So what you're saying is... in the future, we need to hire... ARTISTS to design airplanes! I think it's a marvelous idea. Well, as long as Picasso and Dali are not among their inspirations.
Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter): Vickers VC-10 looks like Illyushin IL-62, I believe both are starting to dwindle in number.
When you don't have a good view of the engines, I've recently realized that an easy way to tell them apart is by leading edge devices. I was surprised to discover that the 62 has none
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Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter): The american C-119 Flying Boxcar looks like the Nord Noratlas, nice classic military transports.
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2): Piper Tomahawk and Beechcraft Skipper
Spotter's guide: Capital T Tail = Beech (usually), while the Piper's are t tails.
I just realised looking at the B18 and the L10, that it applies to them as well, if you look at how the vert stab's are attached (vs how the horizontal stabilisers are attached)
etherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
I've always thought that the Kawasaki XP-1 looks like a baby DC-8 (especially the DC8-7X series):
Northwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 475 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
The Dornier 728 (that never was), and the ERJ-170:
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4365 times:
Quoting longhauler (Reply 18): The Lockheed P3 Orion, and the Lockheed CP-140 Aurora:
The P-3 Orion and the CP-140 Aurora are the same airframe. The only difference is the submarine detection equipment. The CP-140 uses the S-3A equipment in place of the P-3's.
Quoting longhauler (Reply 11): if you give two engineers a blank sheet, and a mission to fulfill, odds are the result is going to look similar. If you consider the designed mission of each of the "pairs" above, what they are intended to do is also very similar.
etherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
etherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
Quoting Pihero (Reply 29): O Mandala, how could you forget the NAMC YS-11 in that group ?
Nah, the YS-11 is way different-looking from those two. I'd say the Saab 340 and 2000 look more similar to the IL-114 and ATP. The YS-11 is probably closer to the Hawker Siddely HS-748 and Convair CV-640.
T-6 Texan II is a modified PC-9... so it should be Embraer/Shorts Tucano and T-6 Texan II/Pilatus PC-9.
A more identical lookalike is:
PC-9 and KA/KO/KT-1 Woong-Bee
Just a nitpick. It's MB-339. The "PAN" stands for "Pattuglia Acrobatica Nazionale" ("National Aerobatic Team") and is the designation for the Frecce Tricolori aircraft only.
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...and again, you omitted on purpose the father of these beauties : The Nord N-262.
I did my I.R check flight on this one, at theFrench air academy at St Yan : A lovely airplane with a yoke stuck in concrete over 200Kt IAS !
then the results of some ingenious Chinese advanced reverse engineering or " why abandon such a good design, it still has some life left in it, ain't it ?"
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 5880 posts, RR: 74 Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 37): Just a nitpick. It's MB-339. The "PAN" stands for "Pattuglia Acrobatica Nazionale" ("National Aerobatic Team") and is the designation for the Frecce Tricolori aircraft only.
Would a standard MB-339 be able to take it's wingtip tanks off? As far as I know the Frecce Tricolori ones are the only ones without the wingtip tanks... plus... they're the only ones I see so far in the database without the wingtip tanks....
Quoting Pihero (Reply 38): ...and again, you omitted on purpose the father of these beauties : The Nord N-262.
I did my I.R check flight on this one, at theFrench air academy at St Yan : A lovely airplane with a yoke stuck in concrete over 200Kt IAS !
Of course I did mon ami.... I had planned to post on the N-262 actually... this one below... in my eyes... reminds me of it...
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 15102 posts, RR: 69 Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
Quoting mandala499 (Reply 45): Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 37):
Just a nitpick. It's MB-339. The "PAN" stands for "Pattuglia Acrobatica Nazionale" ("National Aerobatic Team") and is the designation for the Frecce Tricolori aircraft only.
Would a standard MB-339 be able to take it's wingtip tanks off? As far as I know the Frecce Tricolori ones are the only ones without the wingtip tanks... plus... they're the only ones I see so far in the database without the wingtip tanks...
Huh... didn't think of that. And don't know.
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Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1938 posts, RR: 22 Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
DiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 3 Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 49): Are those not the same airframes? Differing in name only like the P-3 and Aurora that someone else posted earlier?
As far as I know, the Fairchild F-27 and Fokker F-27 are the same, but the Fairchild FH-227 is a stretched version. So really, 2 different airplanes, I guess.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1938 posts, RR: 22 Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 50): As far as I know, the Fairchild F-27 and Fokker F-27 are the same, but the Fairchild FH-227 is a stretched version. So really, 2 different airplanes, I guess.
No, the The Fairchild F-27 is the American License built version of the Fokker F.27.
The FH-227 was simply Fairchild's stretch, originally named the F-27II. However, with the merger of Fairchild and Hiller and because Bob Peach of Mohawk Airlines wanted a name on the plane that would be new, they decided to rename it the FH-227. Fokker's version of the FH-227 would be in the shape of the stretched Fokker F.27-500 which is actually about a foot shorter that the FH-227.
The Fairchild aircraft were built on the American measurement standards, whilst the Fokkers were built in Metric.
Parts from either airplane CANNOT be interchanged.
The only items that can be interchanged are the landing gear.
These three airplanes are ALWAYS confused or lumped in as the same type which is why I posted them. To the casual spotter, they are identical....I did this in the TAT colours because TAT flew all three types.....
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 25 Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 25): The P-3 Orion and the CP-140 Aurora are the same airframe. The only difference is the submarine detection equipment. The CP-140 uses the S-3A equipment in place of the P-3's.
Yes, that is why I put them side-by-side, calling them sub-counterparts.
Much like the IL20, and IL36 in the same message .... same airframe, different mission.
While not obvious I see now, I was comparing the P-3 / CP-140 with the IL-20 / IL-36.
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Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1938 posts, RR: 22 Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
This thread was named Lookielikies....
The planes are supposed to look alike, am I correct?
One could list a picture of the basic DC3 and the Russian built Li-2...those certainly qualify as look alikes.
Aeroweanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 54 Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2): What a cool idea for a thread. Here are a couple unrelated twins:
Piper Tomahawk and Beechcraft Skipper.
They are related - the same guy was the head of preliminary design on both. I used to work for him...
Quoting etherealsky (Reply 28): What do you get when you mate an F-16 with an F-18?
...an AIDC FCK-1!
The F-16 and FCK-1 look alike, as GD helped AIDC design the FCK-1. Plus, GD/Lockheed helped KAI develop the T-50:
Aeroweanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 54 Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
On the military front, there are the Sepecat Jaguar and the Mitsubishi T-2/F-1. They are even powered by the same engines:
And, a mixed civil/military set: the Bristol Britannia, Canadair CL-44 and Canadair CL-28 Argus. The Britannia was powered by Bristol Proteus turboprops, while th CL-44 is powered by RR Tynes. The CL-28 was a modified CL-44 powered by Wright R-3350s, making it a rare example of a airframe where piston engines replaced turboprops. One should also note that the Short Belfast shared a common wing with the Britannia.
Aeroweanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 54 Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 55): Isn't the Li-2 a license built clone of the DC-3?
Yes, plus Showa and Nakajima license-built copies in Japan as the L2D.
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