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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Just curious. It is my understanding that the WN cockpits are configured to replicate the classics for commonality. Is this true? If so, is this just a software mod in the 73NG or are there physical changes that are not standard in the 73NG. Also how is this going to work with the 737s that WN will acquire from FL?

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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

A simple search of the photo Database will answer your question:

Southwest 737-500 flight deck and -700 flight deck:


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AirTran 737-700 flight deck:


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

I thought that WN was going to the FL style anyway to get commonality with the new flat panels going into the 733.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
AirTran 737-700 flight deck:

thats a 717...



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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

From what I understand the WN 737s have the same LCD displays as that in the FL planes, what WN did was have the displays display the flight information in the style of the classic 737s (basically a software change).

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
thats a 717...

Oops....guess it wasn't so simple.


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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
AirTran 737-700 flight deck:

thats a 717...

Here is a FL 73-76N Cockpit....


http://www.airliners.net/photo/AirTran/Boeing-737-76N/0789082/L/



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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Thanks! So my question then is will WN switch all of the FL 73Gs over to the WN style or will WN finally make the switch. To me is seems crazy to stick with the classic style. But then again they are already having to have a new pilot type with the 717. This would probably cause them to have a third; A 737 Classic, 73G, and 717.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 7):
So my question then is will WN switch all of the FL 73Gs over to the WN style or will WN finally make the switch

I would think WN will switch to the FL style. About 150 of WN's 733s will be getting new glass cockpits which will look similar to the new NG style panels, so don't see why after the refitting, they would still stay with the steam gauge layouton the 73G.

The new 733 panel:




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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 5):
Oops....guess it wasn't so simple.

Yeah I grabbed the wrong photo in my post :p



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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Thanks for the photos and info! I guessed that there was a plan in the works.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
I would think WN will switch to the FL style. About 150 of WN's 733s will be getting new glass cockpits which will look similar to the new NG style panels, so don't see why after the refitting, they would still stay with the steam gauge layouton the 73G.

I've also heard that WN is considering retiring many of the remaining -300's in the fleet due to concerns over skin fatigue... (witness the WN 2294 incident). It appears that earlier plans to add Row 44 wifi to the -300's have either been temporarily shelved or dropped all toegther.



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 11):
It appears that earlier plans to add Row 44 wifi to the -300's have either been temporarily shelved or dropped all toegther.

Our first prototype (-300) will debut within the next few months.



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User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 998 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
I would think WN will switch to the FL style. About 150 of WN's 733s will be getting new glass cockpits which will look similar to the new NG style panels, so don't see why after the refitting, they would still stay with the steam gauge layouton the 73G.

We already have. All of our NG's are configured with the same PFD/ND displays that are pictured on the AirTran 7373's. We made the change back in April as part of our complete flight ops overhaul in preparation for our RNP approach certification that will be implemented in January. AT's and VNAV are now fully operational on all NG's. The classics are getting VNAV (no AT's) and as 71Zulu pointed out, appx 150 will get the new LAD's (Large Area Displays).

ETOPS training soon to follow  

And to answer the OP's question, yes, the display change is a simple software mod. It was accomplished during night mx at most (if not all) of our mx bases - taking appx 1 hr per A/C. If I remember correctly, they planned on roughly 6 weeks to get them all converted, but had it done in under 3.

[Edited 2010-12-11 17:23:33]


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 13):

Thanks for the reply!

Can you say what training the pilots went through after the change was made and how long it took?



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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 13):
AT's and VNAV are now fully operational on all NG's. The classics are getting VNAV (no AT's) and as 71Zulu pointed out, appx 150 will get the new LAD's (Large Area Displays).

So does that mean that there is a sub-fleet of pilots?

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 13):
ETOPS training soon to follow

Same as before...pilot sub-fleet?


User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 998 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 14):
Can you say what training the pilots went through after the change was made and how long it took?

Sure. It was a 4 step process taking over 2 years to complete. Phase 1 was completed in December of 2008, which was the intro to AT's. Step 2 introduced VNAV above 10k feet and was finished by Aug 2009. Step 3 was the biggest shift, incorporating the ND/PFD displays, full use of VNAV and AT's, as well as GPS/VNAV approaches. Step 4 is now complete and waiting the "turn on" date sometime in January. This last phase allows turning RNP/GPS approaches down to essentially CAT 1 minimums - pretty cool stuff. I think Alaska pioneered this up in, well, Alaska, a few years back - but it has yet to make it to the lower 48.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 15):
So does that mean that there is a sub-fleet of pilots?

Not at all. All of our 6000 pilots are all cross trained and utilized.



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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 979 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 16):
I think Alaska pioneered this up in, well, Alaska, a few years back - but it has yet to make it to the lower 48.

All Continental 737 pilots have been RNP trained and certified for a couple of years now (includes domestic and foreign operations).



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