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What Happens To Old Engines?  
User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

So, we all know what happens to old airplanes when they reach their end of life...beer cans (or so the joke goes).

What about the engines mounted on them? I know that an engine will often outlast the airframe, I even recall reading an Airliners magazine of the scrapping process of an airliner. In this case, it was an ex-Canadian 732 in which the JT8Ds were built in the late 1960s while the airframe was built in the mid 1970s. After the airframe was scrapped, the engines were simply inspected, loaded up onto pallets, shrink-wrapped, bar-coded, and sent off to a 732 operator in Africa.

So what happens to engines that reach the end of their design life, or are simply uneconomical to run (such as JT3Ds, RR Conways, etc.)? To further make it complicated, I recall reading that either the GEnx or the PW1000G, was designed to be "highly recycle-able;" does this mean that older engines are simply dumped for trash?

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

I would imagine that an old jet has a very high scrap value due to the exotic alloys involved, especially the disks after the combustion section of the engine.

Some old engines go to A&P schools for the students to continually crack them open and rebuild them and run on test stands. A few lucky ones get cut opened and gain plexiglass windows for exhibition in aviation museums  



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Any metal will be recycled, where possible, I'd expect.

http://aircraftdemolition.com/project-reports

Or turned into art/furniture

http://weburbanist.com/2008/10/29/cr...nverted-airplanes-and-plane-parts/

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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

I remember hearing some JT8D's end up becoming generators at refineries and such in remote locations.


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting tb727 (Reply 3):
I remember hearing some JT8D's end up becoming generators at refineries and such in remote locations.

Enter S&S Turbine Services: http://www.ssturbine.com/productlines.htm

They've even got an Olympus!

Tom.


User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 810 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5893 times:
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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):

Enter S&S Turbine Services: http://www.ssturbine.com/productlines.htm

They've even got an Olympus!

Yeah the J-85(CJ-610) is maybe what I heard of going there.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Thread starter):
So what happens to engines that reach the end of their design life, or are simply uneconomical to run (such as JT3Ds, RR Conways, etc.)?

The USAF acquired dozens of retired 707s many years ago mainly for their JT3D engines which were recycled in the first KC-135E re-engining program, replacing the original J57s. The last of those aircraft was retired a year or two ago.


User currently offlinedkswim From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

recycling. and use modules as spar parts for attrition.

User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

The Jet Engines may have A DOM from the late 60's but there is pretty much no parts on it that is that old.

When I worked at the airline we scrapped a few JT8's and the local scrapper took two. He never took anymore. I guess some of the metals are quite exotic and he was not able to use them for recycling.

When I left they had a fair number of JT8s sitting in a storage shed that had a big torch cut down the sides.

GS



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User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

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User currently offlineMarkC From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

I can understand why a scrap dealer would not be too interested in a complete engine. These are very difficult to take apart without special tools and fixtures, and the only people who have those are in the business of overhauling the engines. Even if a scrap dealer could take it apart, all the parts would be deemed scrap because he would not be FAA approved to work on the engine, and he could not resell any parts which are actually good. The dealer also would not have access to data showing what the parts are made from, and would not know which mills would be interested in parts. And they definitely would be interested in certain parts.

What is typicall done is to pay an overhaul shop maybe $50,000 to cannibalize an engine. You would know how much life (and therefore value) was left on all the life limited parts. You would have to guess as to the condition of any other parts, but you can be reasonably accurate if you are familiar with the old operator. They would charge you extra money for any parts made serviceable, and give you the parts deemed scrap for you to sell as scrap. You would have a fairly accurate understanding of what you would recover in terms of money. Some parts have all different fasteners and other items attached, and are uneconomical to even scrap. The engine status would change on the engine manufacturers record system as cannialized.


User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Thanks for the responses so far...but I am still questioning though. For example, what happened to all of the JT3Cs and J57s off of old 707s, 720s, and KC-135s go when the JT3D and TF33 became available, and the frames were re-engined. Where they scrapped?

User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 2):

Wow, I'd love some furniture like that!!!



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User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

I've heard that older engines, that the military used to donate to technical school and museums were taken back, due to the use of radio-active materials that were used in the construction.

We have Mirage F1 engine on display in one of our museums, that is cordoned off at 3m, due to that, so I can imagine those would be harder to recycle.

Regards,

Erich



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User currently offlinecobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

What about aeroderivative jet turbines for electricity and other industrial apllications. There are thousands turbines based of CF6 engine core? Is it possible to use lets some tuubine compressor or blades from older engines and put them on other engines?

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