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How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Is there an initial cadre of pilots and flight attendants that are specially selected from various types of other airplanes to undergo training? For example, when DL was getting the 777, there wasn't an aircraft like it yet in the fleet. Did they pick 767 pilots or did they simply post a bulletin for captains that wanted to change airplanes to apply?


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User currently offlineNAS738 From Norway, joined Aug 2010, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Seniority!!!

And experience on airplanes that have a common layout. I know that when EK took delivery of their first A380 they chose to use experienced A340 pilots to be the first to fly it because of the high similarity between the two. (both fourholers and much of the same buttons and switches in the cockpit) Then they shipped the lucky ones off to Tolouse for training.

When it comes to ground crew, Lufthansa is a great example of how things should be done. Use mock ups and simulators.


User currently offline330Guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Boeing gives airlines a lend of their test pilots for a few months to help the new pilots with any given type if its the first of that type an airline gets, They mentioned something about it on an Air Canada DVD I have. The particulars were never mentioned i.e. Does the test pilot fly as FO or Cpt or is he/she just flying as a "check pilot"

Id be pretty sure Airbus does something similar



Aircraft flown: a300/10/20/21/30/40, b727/37/47/57/67/, DC9, MD80-90, l1011, f50, atr42/72, shorts360, pc12
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

I have no idea how the operators chose whom will be assigned to a new to the fleet aircraft type, but:

The manufacture provides as parts of the sales contract a specific amount of start up assistance.

The manufacture will train an agreed upon number of flight crews, cabin staff and maintenance personal. This is normally done at the manufacturers facilities where they maintain training departments specifically for this purpose.

The manufacture will then provide an on-site introduction team that consists of flight crew instructors, system engineers, maintenance and logistic specialists that will assist the airline personal getting the operations up and flying. This team will stay for a specific period of time. When they leave a permanently assign manufacturers representative will stay with the airline, usually for as long as the operator operates the aircraft. The on-site representative can request factory support at anytime should the need arise.

The start up training starts many months before the first aircraft is even delivered.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Out here its based on Seniority & similiar qualifications to the type aircraft being inducted.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3685 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?


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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?

Generally, yes. Remember, bigger isn't always better in everybody's mind. There could be advantages to upgrading from FO on a big airplane to Captain on a smaller aircraft. Pay is one of them.



DMI
User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

I've always wondered: When an airline orders, lets say a EMB-120, and the airline operates in Sydney, how would the aircraft get from Brazil to Australia? Where would it stop?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 7):
I've always wondered: When an airline orders, lets say a EMB-120, and the airline operates in Sydney, how would the aircraft get from Brazil to Australia? Where would it stop?

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.

How many times do you think it has to stop from South America to Alaska? 5 or 6 times?


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?

In this case, "juniority" could prevail.   



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 9):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.

How many times do you think it has to stop from South America to Alaska? 5 or 6 times?

The range of jets goes *way* up when you're not carrying revenue payload. You're out on the fuel-volume limited part of the payload/range curve with very low payload. An EMB120 can probably go 1500+nm in a ferry load. But it's still a lot of stops.

Tom.


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