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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 512 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Are IFR clearances for airline flights all done over ACARS these days, or do you guys still use the radio at times? I was listening to clearance delivery frequency at LAX, and only heard the occasional Skywest Brasilia.

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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Well, most airports (except the largest) dosn't have ACARS clearence delivery, if they have delivery at all!

Just the major airports use clearence delivery, i.e the ones with more than approx 200.000 ifr movments a year.

One other thing is that many small airliners and the old ones, is not ACARS equiped.....  Smile

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Alot of the new aircraft will use ACARS, like the 777. Mostly it's done the old school way of calling up clearance or ground control.

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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Many aircraft still use the radio. However, I flew home for Thanksgiving on UA358, a 737 and they pulled it up with ACARS.

User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Wow...the clearance delivery position at LAX used to be one of the toughest to work with the volume of calls...and you didn't used to have to be a "controller" to work it. They used to use lowly Air Traffic Assistants to work the position....I know, cause I used to be one at LAX approach in the mid-80's. We made a fraction of the salary of a controller. I believe the ATA's are long gone from terminal facilities....still some at the centers. Seems unfair now that the clearance delivery position is easy because of ACARS and they use highly paid controllers to staff it.

The ultimate spotters job would be working as a tower controller at LAX....

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

^^ Everytime I went into LAX I was firstly asked to stand-by, and then I was forgotten about, so after 5-7 minutes I asked again, and then they apologized and gave me a clearance.
I have been up the old tower at LAX, and the view from there is the best!

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

At AWA, we started putting ACAR's in our planes, and of those, just the A320's. This is only for testing right now, but pretty soon, well have full blown ACAR's capabilities.

Most of the time, though, I believe it will be used to mark the flight time, so it then puts less stress on operations to input everything.

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User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Well, most airports (except the largest) dosn't have ACARS clearence delivery, if they have delivery at all!

Not true! I live near PSC (tri-cities international airport in Pasco, WA). We get about 6 or 7 commercial flights a day, and we have a dedicated clearance delivery freq, although it's patched to the ground controller's freq. so most people do the callup over ground.

User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

at a lot of small airports pilots just call up the tower on ground on their way to the holding point and ask for their atc clearance.

that's what happens at most african airports at least...

User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

some smaller airports with clearance delivery are patched in to the local approach (St. Louis Approach with SUS, CPS and other surrounding airports). That way pilots can talk to ATC rather than FSS for clearance delivery and to cancel IFR clearences when they land...the result...less work for FSS when towers are closed, and increase traffic because pilots can just exit the runway and tell someone they landed, rather than having to taxi to the ramp and get out a phone.

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