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Fatigue Countermeasures In Maintenance  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

https://hfskyway.faa.gov/HFSkyway/FatigueCBT.aspx

A Very Important topic for Aviation Maintenance Personnell,especially those that woirk the Night shift.

regds
MEL.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Anyone aware why this site is not being updated....Or is there an alternative link.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

I decided the best way to deal with the fatigue associated with night shift was to get a different job. A job where I do not have to work night anymore.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 2):
I decided the best way to deal with the fatigue associated with night shift was to get a different job. A job where I do not have to work night anymore.

Someone somewhere has to do the tough job.....If one has a choice then its optional....Not all are that lucky.  



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 2):
I decided the best way to deal with the fatigue associated with night shift was to get a different job. A job where I do not have to work night anymore.

If you ever want to be an aircraft mechanic among other jobs that work 24/7 best believe at some point you will be working that night shift.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 4):

And in all honesty, it's really not that bad. Even the busiest airports quiet down at night, and traffic coming in/going out always seems to be lighter as well.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
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Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 5):

When planes park at night that's when the bulk of maintence work gets performed on it. Pilots fly at night on almost every international flight and many transcons. Dispatchers and loadplanners for international sectors are their most busy during the wee hours of the morning as that is the european departure bank. So the airport is quiet in the departure and arrival sense but there is still alot of airline activity going on.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 6):

I'm at an Airport almost every night (and often way into the morning as a result of the most recent "promotion"), so I pretty much knew all that. What I mean is that operationally, things are a good deal smoother than what you would see at say, PM1 during a push.

A lot more MX is carried out at night, but it's also a good deal slower paced as these are usually RON projects. While usually more extensive, there also usually isn't the same pressure to get something "out". Like anything, there are a lot of plusses and minuses, and it often boils down to personal preference. For me, overnights always made more sense, so I tend to like them better, but as I said, it's not for everyone.

Also, when I said traffic, I meant on the way into and out of work. That may not have been clear.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Yep it might be slower, but you are there. It is not like LMP737 put it, a job where you dont have to work nights.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 4):
If you ever want to be an aircraft mechanic among other jobs that work 24/7 best believe at some point you will be working that night shift.



Yes I know that. In the fourteen years I've been working on commercial aircraft thirteen of them have been on nights.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Someone somewhere has to do the tough job.....If one has a choice then its optional....Not all are that lucky.



Yes someone has to do it. But as I have found as you get older it gets harder and harder to do. When it comes right down to it the human body is not built for being up all night. Fatigue is just a fact of life when you work nights. You can try and alleviate it a little with exercise but that still does not change the previous mentioned fact.

For me the change came when faced with being stuck on midnights another ten years or possibly being laid off. That's when I realized that the best thing for me health wise was to take a job that did not involve working the night shift.


User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 9):

You are not unlike many people, But if the money is right? You'll get used to just about anything. I worked 6-3 rotating shifts for better than 12 years rotating every 9 days from 10P-6a 6 on 3 off, to 2p-10p to 6a-2p . Now I work 8p-8a and 8a-8p 4 on 4 off. rotating monthly. I hate the shift.. But! since the Money is right?? You do what you have to do. If the Money was right?? ( whatever that might be in your case) I'd BET you'd do it! !


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 10):
You are not unlike many people, But if the money is right? You'll get used to just about anything. I worked 6-3 rotating shifts for better than 12 years rotating every 9 days from 10P-6a 6 on 3 off, to 2p-10p to 6a-2p . Now I work 8p-8a and 8a-8p 4 on 4 off. rotating monthly. I hate the shift.. But! since the Money is right?? You do what you have to do. If the Money was right?? ( whatever that might be in your case) I'd BET you'd do it! !

I took a paycut when I switched jobs. In the end the money is not worth it if it ends up ruining your helath and puts a strain on your family life.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 9):
You can try and alleviate it a little with exercise but that still does not change the previous mentioned fact.

Thats why EDTL in Maintenance was introduced to cater to Fatigue in Maintenance work especially at night.

check AAC 1 of 2012.

http://dgca.nic.in/circular/aac1_2012.pdf



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User currently offlinevalley1 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
check AAC 1 of 2012

The keywords to note in this document are advisable, guidelines and should. While they are in there it is pretty much unenforcable.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting valley1 (Reply 13):
The keywords to note in this document are advisable, guidelines and should. While they are in there it is pretty much unenforcable.

True an Advisory may not be mandatory....but out here Operators are taking it seriously & implementing it......



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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Its one of the dirty dozen in human factors training.

In 25+ years of aircraft maintenance I've worked 20+ on shifts other than dayshift. Its part of the job.

N737AA


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 15):
Its part of the job.

Sure is.....But finally with EDTL [employee Duty time limitations] in place for Engineering/Maintenance, things can be easier on the AME/AMT.



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