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A380 - Actual Wake Vortex Problems?  
User currently offlineglidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Hi all,

with up to about 40 A380 flying now, how has the wake vortex issue been doing lately?
Are A380's really blocking somehow to much airspace when they approach the different airports in the world?

Are the ATC guys and airport managers happy with the approach and departure handling / performance of the type?
Does the A380 really create to big steps in the approach sequences?

Thanks for sharing your info with us.

Greetz,
Patrick


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User currently onlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

I posted the same question a few weeks ago and go zero responses so will watch this thread as I am really interested to know the answer myself...

Matt
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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
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Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 1):
I posted the same question a few weeks ago and go zero responses

Did you post it here in Civ-Av , or in the Tech Ops forum ? I would think you are more likely to get useful/informed replies by posting the question there .



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

As far as I know the ATC seperation standards behind an arriving A-380 are now the same as a B-747, about 5 miles. For departure, taking off behind an A-380 requires a 2 minute wait, again just like the B-747.

I expect the seperations standards for a B-747-8F/I to be the same, by the time they enter service.


User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

I believe they are doing seperation trials on the 748 as we speak.Airbus also conducted some recently for the CAA but have no clue as to what results/answers there are. I think seperation values for 380's are at present higher than 747's as I recall.

User currently offlineglidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
As far as I know the ATC separation standards behind an arriving A-380 are now the same as a B-747, about 5 miles.



Maybe there some ATC guys or even A380 pilots which could help to shed light into this....???   



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 878 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

All I know when the A380 came to MCO, we used 10 miles separation and 5 minutes on departure. Again, at that time it was still a test flight and you know, better safe than sorry.

It visited MCO for gate fitting.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9977 posts, RR: 96
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
As far as I know the ATC seperation standards behind an arriving A-380 are now the same as a B-747, about 5 miles. For departure, taking off behind an A-380 requires a 2 minute wait, again just like the B-747.

I don't think A380 separations are quite as low as the existing 747's yet. Heading that way, but not yet

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I expect the seperations standards for a B-747-8F/I to be the same, by the time they enter service.

I think it would be more likely to follow the A380's experience, and start with a more conservative separation, which progressively becomes reduced to a "normal" one with operational experience.

Rgds


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 4):

I believe they are doing seperation trials on the 748 as we speak.

There was an ex-KAL cargo 747F at BFI for a while that was flying formation with a 747-8F. This was widely assumed to be for wake vortex testing. I haven't seen that ex-KAL plane for a while, which makes me suspect they've finished the vortex testing, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Tom.


User currently onlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3476 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 7):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
As far as I know the ATC seperation standards behind an arriving A-380 are now the same as a B-747, about 5 miles. For departure, taking off behind an A-380 requires a 2 minute wait, again just like the B-747.

I don't think A380 separations are quite as low as the existing 747's yet. Heading that way, but not yet

I don't believe there have been any reductions in approach separation distances from the ICAO levels published in Aug 2008

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