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US Airways A321 Cabin Crew?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

How many Flight Attendants operate the A321 at US? The aircraft has 5 or 6 jumpseats available, but I doubt there are that many crew - which jumpseats are actually used?

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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
How many Flight Attendants operate the A321 at US? The aircraft has 5 or 6 jumpseats available, but I doubt there are that many crew - which jumpseats are actually used?


At Air Canada, due to the door arrangement, our minimum Flight Attendant complement is 5. Even if we only carried 20 passengers, we would still have to carry 5 F/As.

Compare that to our B767-300ERs, if we only had 20 passengers, we could go with only 3 F/As!



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 1):
At Air Canada, due to the door arrangement, our minimum Flight Attendant complement is 5. Even if we only carried 20 passengers, we would still have to carry 5 F/As.

Compare that to our B767-300ERs, if we only had 20 passengers, we could go with only 3 F/As!

THREE FA's! Seriously? I understand the bit about door placement, but isn't the CAA rule 1:40 / FA to pax seats?

Can you base your staffing on pax load rather than pax seats?



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 2):
THREE FA's! Seriously? I understand the bit about door placement, but isn't the CAA rule 1:40 / FA to pax seats?

Can you base your staffing on pax load rather than pax seats?


Yes. In Canada, it is 1:40 with regard to number of passengers, not passenger seats. There is however, as I mentioned, a minimum crew compliment assigned to each aircraft type.

This is usually as a result of the way the doors are laid out. For example, our B767-300ERs that have 4 doors and 4 over-wing exits, the minimum F/A number is 3, but for our 3 B767-300ERs that have 8 doors and no over-wing exits, the number is 4.

But, in all honesty, with the 80%+ load factors we have seen in the last decade, it is rarely an issue. However, I recently flew a YOW-YYZ flight that was a sub for an E175. We had only 60 passengers, and a YHM alternate, so we were about 100000kgs below MTOW. As the runway was contaminated, we used full thrust. After a 15 second takeoff roll, we almost climbed straight up .... great fun!



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

That's interesting and makes sense! What happens though if you're booked lightly and thus staffed accordingly and then there's a cancellation and pax are moved onto your flight at an outstation that doesn't have extra FA's?


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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 4):
That's interesting and makes sense! What happens though if you're booked lightly and thus staffed accordingly and then there's a cancellation and pax are moved onto your flight at an outstation that doesn't have extra FA's?


At Air Canada, the flights are normally staffed with a full complement of Flight Attendants. That is, with the ability for a full passenger load. However, if due to irregular operations there will be less than a full complement, then all departments are advised.

The most important in this case would be Customer Sales, and the load would be capped. When that happens, then it would be impossible to even issue a boarding pass once the cap was reached. Interestingly enough, infants are not included in this amount, non-revs are! And, jump seat riders are included when they ride in the cabin, but not in the cockpit. Needless to say, when this arises, I always pull out the 'book' to check the rules, as ultimately, regardless of how many people are involved, I am responsible.



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 5):
At Air Canada, the flights are normally staffed with a full complement of Flight Attendants. That is, with the ability for a full passenger load. However, if due to irregular operations there will be less than a full complement, then all departments are advised.

Logical, and seems well planned. I've always been interested in the differences in CAA and FAA rules. Thank you!



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

To answer the question, I believe US can get by with 4 flight attendants (1 for every 50 passengers).

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