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How Do FF Miles Transactions Btwn Airlines Work?  
User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3069 times:
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I just bought a R/T ticket on TK using my CO miles. I know they are both *A members, and so they honor miles from the other airline. But how does it work? Did CO "pay" TK for my seats on those TK flights? Also, is it just courtesy reciprocity? I mean, there may be more people holding CO and UA miles (I am not sure this is the case, but given they had FF plans before some of the other A* members, it may be), does that not mean that it is likely CO and UA will be requesting more seats on other member airlines flights then other members asking for CO and UA seats? Also, I am sure there are airlines like SQ where FF members of other airlines requests seats, while SQ FF members may not request in the same numbers of other *A members. How does it balance out? Are there monetary transactions involved between airlines?

Remaining curious,

Wasim / Planemannyc

[Edited 2011-03-24 19:16:27]

[Edited 2011-03-24 19:16:58]

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25370 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

In simple terms, there is a agreed valuation of miles. CO in this case would pay TK to essentially buy your set.

With airlines having many thousands of transactions between them, much of these owed sums gets cancelled out at the end, however if a carrier burns more miles than it earns for instance payment is made for the difference.

Remember nothing is for free, and no airline is going to give up a potential revenue making seat without some compensation.



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User currently onlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1030 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
In simple terms, there is a agreed valuation of miles.

I assume earning miles on a partner airline works similarly? That is, if I fly somewhere on AS, but choose to earn miles in my DL Skymiles account, does Alaska pay Delta something for those miles? And I assume, like you said above, that once all the accounting is said and done this debt could potentially be canceled out by someone on a DL flight choosing to earn miles on AS, or a DL customer using their Skymiles to book an AS flight.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25322 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2524 times:

Selling frequent flyer miles to other carriers, hotel chains, credit card companies etc. generates a lot of revenue.

User currently offlineodysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

This is a good question. I've always wondered about this myself.

Over in FlyerTalk and in published press articles, it's sometimes asserted that some airlines (like United) make it difficult to book available award seats on other airlines in their alliance. For example, the Washington Times article below states that United filters Star Alliance Award Seats:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...irlines-curb-award-tickets/?page=2

Is this because they would have to compensate Lufthansa (for example) if they provided an award seat on a Lufthansa flight? Perhaps the award transactions generally do not cancel each other out, and United ends up paying Lufthansa money without partner award seat flltering?

regards,

John


User currently offlineplanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2258 times:
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Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 4):
Over in FlyerTalk and in published press articles, it's sometimes asserted that some airlines (like United) make it difficult to book available award seats on other airlines in their alliance. For example, the Washington Times article below states that United filters Star Alliance Award Seats:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...irlines-curb-award-tickets/?page=2

Is this because they would have to compensate Lufthansa (for example) if they provided an award seat on a Lufthansa flight? Perhaps the award transactions generally do not cancel each other out, and United ends up paying Lufthansa money without partner award seat flltering?

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

Now, could that be that just like passengers having to pay more if they book later (typically that's the pattern), do airlines end up paying more to other airlines (even partner airlines) closer to the date of departure, as noted in the article:

Another solution would be to book months in advance, before United applies the filters.

and therefore, UA is unwilling to provide seats to it's FF members when there are seats being made available by its partners?

Still curious,

Wasim / Planemannyc


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