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Indian Airlines A320 Question  
User currently offlineUPS763 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4884 times:

Why do Indian's A320s have a 4-wheeled bogie instead of the normal two wheeled bogies on every other A320?

Matthew

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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4774 times:

The reason I believe has to do with the fact that the Indian A320's are operated from some airports whose surfaces are rough, and more wheels helps to support the aircraft better...

I think Indian was the only A320 customer whose aircraft have this...
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User currently offlineInitRef From India, joined Nov 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

IAC intended to operate the A320 on routes to high-altitude and secondary airports that used to have 737-200 service.

The 737 has a lower ACN (Aircraft Classification Number) which relates to the strength of the runway/tarmac surface required.

The A320 is heavier and needed harder apron/tarmac/runway surfaces to operate from these airfields. Due to the difficulties and expense to upgrade the pavements at these airports Airbus had to find a way to reduce the weight on each wheel.

The solution was to use more wheels (thereby spreading the A320's weight around and thereby halving the load per wheel) - think snowshoes vs high-heels for a metaphor!

As of now, IAC's low-fare subsidiary Alliance Air has taken over those very routes, (and surprise - they operate 737-200's) so IAC's A320's are no longer used on the remote airfields. Also, spares for the unique bogies are harder to source and more expensive - so IAC is currently in the process of converting all the A320's to the conventional bogies.


User currently offlineQNH1013 From Belgium, joined May 2001, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4681 times:

Somebody has to say it, sorry it's me...
But do a search before you post a topic, it has allready been discussed.
It's indeed because of the runways over there.
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QNH1013


User currently offlineAFC_ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

I cannot find any pictures of the Air India A320's i would like to see the 4 wheel bogies, does anyone know where to find them? thanks


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Try searching "Indian Airlines A320"
regds
HAWK.



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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Well... what do you know. You learn something everyday.

I think the Indian A320 look great with that bogie and have always wondered if the A321 should have one as well. Especially being fairly close in size to a 757-200 which has a double wheeled bogie.
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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

AFAIK, Indian Airlines was having a tough time sourcing spares because of this unique landing gear. So all 34 A320's in their fleet are being progessively retrofitted with "normal" landing gears.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4209 times:
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Are Indian Airlines really retrofitting standard main gear onto their original A320s?

A significant number of Indian Airline's A320 fleet now are second-hand aircraft, and as such never had the double-bogey maingear. This seems to be the reason so many IC A320s are pictured with standard landing gear.

I can't find any shots in the database of an aircraft that has been converted, all the original VT-EP_ and VT-ES_ registered aircraft are pictured with double-bogey maingear, while the second-hand VT-EV_ registered planes retain the standard setup.

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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

What is the difference between 4-wheeled bogie and normal bogie in terms of cost and Assembly? Also when the IA Airbus 320 where first delivered did they come with the 4 wheeled bogie or the normal ones which were later replaced?

George



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Wouldn't be in a position to comment in terms of cost.
But Yes the A320s Bogie landing gear was standard on all A320s ordered by IA,However recent ones have the convential Two Wheel assys.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1515 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

So all 34 A320's in their fleet are being progessively retrofitted with "normal" landing gears.

IC's owned A320s were the ones to have 4/wheel bogies. These are 30 in number - VT-EPN being lost in FEB90.

The cost at the time of purchase may not have been significant but will definitely be when they try to sell these birds. I have not seen any A320s with the 4/wheel bogies changed to 2. Please bear in mind that the EP.. and ES.. series A320s all have 4/wheel bogies. The EV.. and EY.. all have 2/wheel bogies as they are all leased.

BTW the weight penalty was some 420kgs.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Last Night spoke to an IA A320 AME,who says there is no plans of replacing the Bogie gears on their original Aircraft with Standard Two Wheel L/Gs.
Although the New ones have the Two Wheel Landing Gear.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Actually MEL, there was a press release made by IC which appeared in the Economic Times where they clearly mentioned that there was indeed a plan to retrofit the conventional landing gear as the double bogie made it expensive to maintain since IC was the only customer.

I have no doubt that this will happen. Its just the time frame. I think that plan is tied to the plan to induct 43 new A32X's. 14 of the oldest A320's inducted between '89 and '91 would simply be retired, but the other 17 which were inducted between '91 and '96 should be modified. The newer ones coming in will surely have the conventional arrangement.

-Roy


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

I remember Reading about the Bogie gear vendor Closing shop.The cost of each gear replacement was to the tune of a Crore [that was three yrs ago].
Hopefully the 43 Aircraft arrive soon.
This Time delays in Indian purchases & Reviews of Reviews has got to stop,They are killing the Industry.[At least the Indian one].
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCX777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

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