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User currently offlinevheca From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

As per the picture posted below, can someone identify for me the addidtion to the nose of this MD-11F?


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Is it a camera or extra sensor?

Thanks

vheca

PS I cant find anywhere that would have this info, but admittedly, I may have not looked everywhere.


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User currently offlineei a330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Two threads last year in the Tech/Ops forum on the same subject.
What Is The Inside The Bump On The FX MD-11 Nose? (by rktsci Jun 12 2010 in Tech Ops)
FedEx MD/DC10/11 Nosecones (by 747LUVR Jan 21 2010 in Tech Ops)

Excerpt from one reply in the second thread above that seems to answer the question must precisely:

It's on all the MD-11s with the HUD/EFVS installation. It's the infrared Ehanced Flight Vision System camera. I don't think any MD-10s have it yet as only a handful of -11s have it. Most of the crews should be fully trained this year.


User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Nothing to do with anti-missiles. It's an EVS installation.

EVS allows descent to 100' above touchdown elevation on a CAT 1 approach with vertical guidance if the pilot flying sees the runway or approach light EVS image in the HUD. At the 100' point monitor pilot must see runway visually to continue approach.


User currently offlinevheca From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting ei a330-200 (Reply 1):
I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.

Thanks for the response, I had searched but could not find anything......

Is this in direct response to the attacks to the DHL service, well documented, in the Middle East?

Cheers

vheca

EDIT: Before posting response, read some newer replies and found further info....will have to have a read. to those who posted later, like I said, I did a search but probable not a big one in other forums! Apologies!



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

You can faintly see the HUD reflection in the picture so that makes sense. Is this like what Gulfstream has installed on a lot of their planes? Sounds like a pretty cool system!

User currently offlinevheca From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Has this ever been considered for regular commercial ops? Too much weight, work etc?

Also noticed on one of the previous posts that there views inside the flight deck. These have been removed, Anyone help here too?

Again, thanks all

Vheca



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting ei a330-200 (Reply 1):
I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.

You are a very funny person. 

Actually, it really is the anti-missile system, and not a HUD EFVS.   The whole HUD thing is just the cover story.   


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
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Quoting vheca (Reply 4):
Is this in direct response to the attacks to the DHL service, well documented, in the Middle East?


Can you clarify your statement?



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 8):
Can you clarify your statement?

He's asking (while believing that the addition is an anti-missile system) whether or not this system is in response to the EAS/DHL A300 that was hit by a missile out of Bagdhad in... 2004? Maybe earlier? And returned for a safe landing with no hydraulics (landed with engine power alone.)



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User currently offlineVHECA From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 8):
Can you clarify your statement?

He's asking (while believing that the addition is an anti-missile system) whether or not this system is in response to the EAS/DHL A300 that was hit by a missile out of Bagdhad in... 2004? Maybe earlier? And returned for a safe landing with no hydraulics (landed with engine power alone.)


To SOBHI51

Exactly, sorry to be so vague, but I did not want to get the details of the incident wrong, so went general geographical location.

But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

Cheers

Vheca



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting VHECA (Reply 10):
But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

They are slowly making their way into airliners. Many business jets and GA planes have had infrared cameras for several years already.


User currently offlineVHECA From Australia, joined May 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
Quoting VHECA (Reply 10):
But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

They are slowly making their way into airliners. Many business jets and GA planes have had infrared cameras for several years already.



If it is proving to be a benefit to the Cargo/Freight transport industry, surely we would see a more rapid deployment in Commercial aviation? Granted there is the factor of cost!

Is there indication from the major manufacturers in including this device into their airliners? Would be interested in seeing what they have come up with.

Cheers

Vheca



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):
Granted there is the factor of cost!

And certification. That takes a lot of time.

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):


Is there indication from the major manufacturers in including this device into their airliners?

Not that I remember, not from A or B directly, but I do know companies like Raytheon, Honeywell, Rockwell and other avionics companies are pushing for it.

[Edited 2011-04-18 19:59:00]

[Edited 2011-04-18 19:59:10]

User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):
Granted there is the factor of cost!

Not sure about cost to an airline but the EVS installation on a bizjet adds about $500K to the price.

[Edited 2011-04-19 18:15:59]

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