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User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
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What is the ATC protocol regarding the term "Center"?

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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I can only address the US side of it. From the FAA Handbook (FAA Order 7110.65)

" Air route traffic control centers. State the name of the facility followed by the word "Center". "



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User currently offlineChamonix From France, joined Mar 2011, 352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
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Is it conventional practice for pilots to drop the digit "one" when repeating the frequency to the air controller?

User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Chamonix (Reply 2):
Is it conventional practice for pilots to drop the digit "one" when repeating the frequency to the air controller?

Yes it is often done as there are no 2xx MHz frequencies used in aviation. 119.2 might become "nineteen point two" Also as ground control is typically 121.x you will often hear/say "Hold short of taxiway Alpha, ground point 9" and it is understood that ground is 121.9



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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 3):
Yes it is often done as there are no 2xx MHz frequencies used in aviation.

What about military UHF freqs? Every ATC facility has them as well.



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 4):
What about military UHF freqs? Every ATC facility has them as well.

Well, they would be using UHF on initial contact, so wouldn't be passed off to another center as "nineteen two". I've never heard (or actually used), an abbreviated frequency for UHF.

Jimbo



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5520 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

1.

GRK APP: "Bonanza Niner Two romeo, contact Houston Center on one three four point two."

92R: "Contact Houston Center, one three four point two, Niner Two Romeo, G'day."

(changes frequency)

92R: "Houston Center, Bonanza One Two Niner Two Romeo, level one zero, ten thousand feet."

ZHU: "Bonanza niner two romeo, Junction altimeter two niner niner seven."

92R: "Two niner niner seven, Niner two romeo."

2.

Frequency rarely abbreviated, except (as noted above) "Ground point ____" (meaning, 121.___).



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User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 4):
Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 3):
Yes it is often done as there are no 2xx MHz frequencies used in aviation.

What about military UHF freqs? Every ATC facility has them as well.

Sorry I guess I should have clarified, civil aviation  
Quoting sccutler (Reply 6):

While this is following 7110.65, I know I have heard a lot of frequency abbreviations from both pilots and controllers. Maybe it's because I fly in the NYC metro area and NY controllers have a tendency to go off 7110.65 semi-frequently?



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 7):
While this is following 7110.65, I know I have heard a lot of frequency abbreviations from both pilots and controllers. Maybe it's because I fly in the NYC metro area and NY controllers have a tendency to go off 7110.65 semi-frequently?

The ground control abbreviation is in 7110.65. No others are though:

"... except the following may be omitted:

The numbers preceding the decimal point if the ground control frequency is in the 121 MHz bandwidth. "


Jimbo



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